Tommy robinson March.

[chartpolski 28,135]

10 minutes ago, WILF said:

Open questions:

Who, hand on heart, genuinely thinks that JUST returning the BOAT PEOPLE to the 3rd world has any impact on the catastrophe that is Britain, France, Germany, Sweden, Belgium ? 
 

Does anyone else think we are way beyond that ? 

The old saying “when you are in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging”; comes to mind, so, the first step is stopping the boats by returning the illegal immigrants back to wherever they came from.

This would entail leaving the ECHR and removing any elements of it that Blair enshrined into British law.

Yes, that would just be a start, but it would stop the “hole” getting any deeper and then we could start working out how we get out of the “hole”.

Cheers.

[WILF 50,642]

Just now, chartpolski said:

The old saying “when you are in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging”; comes to mind, so, the first step is stopping the boats by returning the illegal immigrants back to wherever they came from.

This would entail leaving the ECHR and removing any elements of it that Blair enshrined into British law.

Yes, that would just be a start, but it would stop the “hole” getting any deeper and then we could start working out how we get out of the “hole”.

Cheers.

Absolutely fair ! 
 

Do you think there is a massive danger of people seeing just returning the boat people as job done ?……is there a danger of Reform getting into office, making some good noises, doing a couple of “shiny” things and everyone just thinking “well, that’s it, all sorted” ?

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5 minutes ago, WILF said:

Absolutely fair ! 
 

Do you think there is a massive danger of people seeing just returning the boat people as job done ?……is there a danger of Reform getting into office, making some good noises, doing a couple of “shiny” things and everyone just thinking “well, that’s it, all sorted” ?

I think that people have woken up now , and we're all seeing the real problems.  It would be nice to think that reform have realised this , and might keep in mind that they'll be elected to do what's best for the country .

However. 

Reform seem to be rapidly turning into the Conservative Party. 

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1 minute ago, WILF said:

Absolutely fair ! 
 

Do you think there is a massive danger of people seeing just returning the boat people as job done ?……is there a danger of Reform getting into office, making some good noises, doing a couple of “shiny” things and everyone just thinking “well, that’s it, all sorted” ?

Answer to the first part; no, I think stopping the boats will be seen by most people who think about this, as just the start, we also have to understand that far more people who are here illegally aren’t boat people, they are visa overstayers, and they need to be removed.

Answer to your second question is you have a far different view of Farage and Reform that I do, and that’s OK, as I’ve said many times; I can respect people’s views without necessarily agreeing with them. You seem to see Reform as just the same as the rest, more of the same; I don’t see them as a National panacea, but I do see them as a credible alternative to the legacy parties. 
My main worry is that Labour will survive the full term and when Reform finally get into power, the country will be in such a dire, desperate state that Reform, or any party, will not be able to retrieve the situation, and your view of “ See, they are all the same” will become a reality.

Cheers.

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I’ve always thought that this case , absolutely encapsulates the entire issues in a microcosm. 

third world thinking , imposed in a western world. 

there is so much wrong here , it’s hard to know where to start . 
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13940829/amp/Somalian-refugee-loses-appeal-against-life-sentence-murdering-Swedish-seven-months-pregnant-Christian-girlfriend-honour-killing.html

 

 

[jukel123 9,469]

33 minutes ago, mackay said:

You actually  think that if we still had the Dublin agreement the boat people would be returned to their country of origin immediately ?.

Nah, I'm not that daft. But it's a fact that migrants saw the loophole and acted on it. En masse.

I think the french rubbed their hands and thought " great, go for it. Never liked the brits anyway."

If the French wanted to control the migration they could identify the gangmasters and make them offers they couldn't refuse. They could restrict the sale of dinghies to legitimate buyers, the same with buying life jackets en masse. But they don't want to ...its payback for brexit.

[WILF 50,642]

Think about this.

In 1939 the the population of Britain was recorded as 41 million and recorded on the census was 7000 ethnic minorities 

Today the population is recorded as 68 million and recorded on the census are 11.3 million ethnic minorities (which we all know is probably 15 million ) 

We are going to be minority white British in just 40 years ! 

So, going back to the original question, is it logical to think this will all get fixed with 600,000 boat people going home (they won’t !) and waiting while we plod along with some mythical plan to get us back to some semblance of sanity ?

Because to me, those numbers all look like we are in a way more serious position and sticking plasters and time won’t get us out of it ? 

[Seagull 908]

No, I don't think it will make a difference. The filth at the top will always want to feed us crumbs, but I suppose it makes for a good smokescreen.

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8 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Answer to the first part; no, I think stopping the boats will be seen by most people who think about this, as just the start, we also have to understand that far more people who are here illegally aren’t boat people, they are visa overstayers, and they need to be removed.

Answer to your second question is you have a far different view of Farage and Reform that I do, and that’s OK, as I’ve said many times; I can respect people’s views without necessarily agreeing with them. You seem to see Reform as just the same as the rest, more of the same; I don’t see them as a National panacea, but I do see them as a credible alternative to the legacy parties. 
My main worry is that Labour will survive the full term and when Reform finally get into power, the country will be in such a dire, desperate state that Reform, or any party, will not be able to retrieve the situation, and your view of “ See, they are all the same” will become a reality.

Cheers.

Define credible in the current situation mate ? 
 

(Not looking for an argument, just an interesting conversation) 

[WILF 50,642]

3 minutes ago, Seagull said:

No, I don't think it will make a difference. The filth at the top will always want to feed us crumbs, but I suppose it makes for a good smokescreen.

100% agree 

[chartpolski 28,135]

2 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Nah, I'm not that daft. But it's a fact that migrants saw the loophole and acted on it. En masse.

I think the french rubbed their hands and thought " great, go for it. Never liked the brits anyway."

If the French wanted to control the migration they could identify the gangmasters and make them offers they couldn't refuse. They could restrict the sale of dinghies to legitimate buyers, the same with buying life jackets en masse. But they don't want to ...its payback for brexit.

The way I understand it is that the boats, engines, life jackets etc, are manufactured in China, smuggled across porous, corrupt borders like Hungary, then , because of the Schengen, EU open borders agreement , travel to Germany for assembly and storage, then on to Belgium and France for use to cross the Channel.

They could be intercepted at the EU border if it weren’t for corruption, or at the German, Belgian, French borders if it wasn’t for the EU’s Schengen Open Borders agreement.

So Brexit may have removed the Dublin Agreement, but on the other hand the EU has made it incredibly easy for the boats to arrive at the beaches of France.

Cheers.

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1 minute ago, chartpolski said:

The way I understand it is that the boats, engines, life jackets etc, are manufactured in China, smuggled across porous, corrupt borders like Hungary, then , because of the Schengen, EU open borders agreement , travel to Germany for assembly and storage, then on to Belgium and France for use to cross the Channel.

They could be intercepted at the EU border if it weren’t for corruption, or at the German, Belgian, French borders if it wasn’t for the EU’s Schengen Open Borders agreement.

So Brexit may have removed the Dublin Agreement, but on the other hand the EU has made it incredibly easy for the boats to arrive at the beaches of France.

Cheers.

The boats are inflatables made some crudely still.ply showing anyone can knock them up 

[WILF 50,642]

Here’s another left field question, would it actually be better for Labour to get elected again ? …..I’m starting to think it would. 

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[jukel123 9,469]

33 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

The old saying “when you are in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging”; comes to mind, so, the first step is stopping the boats by returning the illegal immigrants back to wherever they came from.

This would entail leaving the ECHR and removing any elements of it that Blair enshrined into British law.

Yes, that would just be a start, but it would stop the “hole” getting any deeper and then we could start working out how we get out of the “hole”.

Cheers.

There is no need to come out of the EHCR. Germany and Norway have simply suspended that part of the agreement which details accepting migrants. There's no talk of chucking them out of the convention. A delegation of Labour MPs has been sent scurrying to Germany to find out exactly how they've done it.

Abandoning The EHCR without a legal document which replaces or improves our human rights would be rabid madness. Especially with Farage in charge. It wouldn't just be turkeys voting for Christmas, it would be turkeys plucking themselves, taking their own guts out leaping into the oven.

Edited 2 hours ago by jukel123

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2 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

There is no need to come out of the EHCR. Germany and Norway have simply suspended that part of the agreement which details accepting migrants. There's no talk of chucking them out of the convention. A delegation of Labour MPs has been sent scurrying to Germany to find out exactly how they've done it.

Abandoning The EHCR without a legal document which replaces or improves our human rights would be rabid madness. Especially with Farage in charge. It wouldn't just be turkeys voting for Christmas it would be turkeys plucking themselves, taking their own guts out leaping into the oven.

f**k off lol that's were we are now 

What world do you  live in jukel ? You must be well out the way with your views mate