1969 moon landing

[Pardus 1,610]

1 minute ago, Francie, said:

Creation itself is evidence of God mate,I know you an many others beleive that things just appear out of nowhere or nothing but it's not scientific.

 

It really ain't evidence of a god and certainly not the God in the bible, if you so why the contradictions? You either believe in the words of the bible or not?

[shaaark 11,342]

10 hours ago, Francie, said:

I think @Franks dad an @shark will be interested in lionels work

 

Nope, not interested in the slightest.  Not even clicking on it.

9 hours ago, Francie, said:

I read earlier that Isaacs Newton said jesus was sent to earth to operate the levers of gravity,so I searched it up an came across this,interesting reading

have never encountered this reference before. And considering I do research precisely on the Newtonian argument of gravity being a continuous act of God, I would have really expected to have encountered this reference before in the vast research on gravity and the Newtonian theology. (though, to be fair, Newton's theological manuscripts are dense and not always well studied, so it is possible no Newton scholar has ever picked up on this reference while John Lloyd has. In which case it would be nice if Lloyd could write a research paper on this subject, because if Newton really did believe that Jesus was sent to Earth to 'operate the levers of gravity', that would upset our entire understanding of Newton's theology.)

For Newton, gravity was the result of a continuous act of God, who superadded the power of attraction to matter and upheld the universe in this way. Now, we can discuss if God is the direct cause of gravity (moving things around directly), or whether he delegated this task to some subordinate supernatural being. But he never mentions Jesus as the cause of gravity. Nor would it have been likely for him to suppose Jesus the cause of gravity instead of God; Jesus, after all, is fundamentally different from God - he is merely one of God's creatures. It would not sit well with Newton's Arianism to consider Jesus the maintainer (or cause) of gravity. And indeed, whenever Newton speaks of the divine cause of gravity (and the laws of motion in general), he explicitly refers to God, not Jesus. For instance, in the 31st query to his Optics:

it may also be allowed that God is able to create particles of matter of several sizes and figures, and in several proportions to space, and perhaps of different densities and forces, and thereby to vary the laws of nature (emphasis mine)

As James Force writes:

Having chosen matter of particular densities and forces of particular sorts (chiefly, gravity) this time around, God's ordained frame of nature has since been wheeling routinely along betraying in almost every motion the generally provident dominion of the Lord God of creation. God's will and power are detectable in the routine, everyday operation of secondary causes as described in the laws of nature. [...]

In his sermon on 2 Kings 17:15-6, Newton foreshadows the General Scholium while pointing out the preserving role which the Lord God of Dominion continuously has exercised over physical nature. God requires us, writes Newton, to worship him not because we can fathom his innermost essence. Rather, God, "The wisest of beings require[s] of us to be celebrated not so much for his essences as for his actions, the creating, preserving, and governing of all things according to his good will and pleasure."

God's preservation of the created order is necessary owing to the original forces he created. Because of gravity, he writes, "a continual miracle is needed to prevent the sun and fixed stars from rushing together through gravity."

As you can see, gravity was added to matter at creation, and requires continuous maintenance by God in order to preserve it.

Furthermore, we know that several other Newtonians (Richard Bentley, Samuel Clarke, William Whiston) argued that God himself was the direct cause of gravity. And there is textual evidence that supports the idea that Newton largely agreed with this opinion.

As John Henry writes:

The involvement of God in Newton’s thinking is clear from the draft of a letter which Newton intended to send to the Editor of Memoirs of Literature in 1712. Rejecting Leibniz’s claim that Newtonian gravity is ‘‘an unreasonable and occult quality’’, Newton writes:

"And why may not the same be said of the vis inertiae & the extension the duration & mobility of bodies, and yet no man ever attempted to explain these qualities mechanically, or took them for miracles or supernatural things or fictions or occult qualities. They are the natural real reasonable manifest qualities of all bodies seated in them by the will of God from the beginning of the creation & perfectly uncapable of being explained mechanically."

In case the addressee misses the theological point, Newton makes it crystal clear:

"But he [Leibniz] goes on and tells us that God could not create planets that should move round of themselves without any cause that should prevent their removing through the tangent... But certainly God could create planets that should move round of themselves without any other cause than gravity ..." ( Newton, 1959–77, v, p. 300, Newton’s emphasis).

Same here, francie.  You are very much mistaken if you think I'm going to read all that nonsense!! Lol.

You crack on though, mate. 

 

[Francie, 2,759]

26 minutes ago, Pardus said:

It really ain't evidence of a god and certainly not the God in the bible, if you so why the contradictions? You either believe in the words of the bible or not?

What contradictions are talking about mate.

Well iv asked you before other than a supernatural creator,what other options are we looking at here.

Time space an matter would have to come into existence at the same time,you couldn't have one without thee other

Stars planets the elements etc 

How did it all come about?

This thread has shifted drastically,I'd rather go back to topic than go round in circles lol

[Francie, 2,759]

3 minutes ago, shaaark said:

Nope, not interested in the slightest.  Not even clicking on it.

Same here, francie.  You are very much mistaken if you think I'm going to read all that nonsense!! Lol.

You crack on though, mate. 

 

A lot of ignorance there shark,but that's ok it's your choice,but you said there's no evidence for the bible,jesus etc but there's some there for you but your not interested,fair enough.

 

[shaaark 11,342]

1 minute ago, Francie, said:

A lot of ignorance there shark,but that's ok it's your choice,but you said there's no evidence for the bible,jesus etc but there's some there for you but your not interested,fair enough.

 

Mate, I'm not ignorant, I just don't believe that anything in the bible can be proved.  How many versions of the bible are there, old testament, new testament etc etc etc?

Nonsense.

[Pardus 1,610]

8 minutes ago, Francie, said:

What contradictions are talking about mate.

Well iv asked you before other than a supernatural creator,what other options are we looking at here.

Time space an matter would have to come into existence at the same time,you couldn't have one without thee other

Stars planets the elements etc 

How did it all come about?

This thread has shifted drastically,I'd rather go back to topic than go round in circles lol

For starters the timescales, or are we going to just ignore little details like it being billions of years off? Lol

[Francie, 2,759]

10 minutes ago, shaaark said:

Mate, I'm not ignorant, I just don't believe that anything in the bible can be proved.  How many versions of the bible are there, old testament, new testament etc etc etc?

Nonsense.

That's because you don't want it to be proved mate,just be honest.

More ignorance from you shark,its not different versions,it's different publications from different company's or whatever.

I have five bibles in house,an old Catholic,kj,nkj,Niv,an one you get from hospitals that I forget the name off.

Iv went through them,an if you open each one at the same chapter an verse it says the same thing.

[Francie, 2,759]

So 25,000 mph,are there any video footage of the spacecraft leaving or entering our atmosphere at this speed?

[shaaark 11,342]

6 minutes ago, Francie, said:

Iv went through them,an if you open each one at the same chapter an verse it says the same thing.

I'll take your word for it. 

[Pardus 1,610]

6 minutes ago, Francie, said:

That's because you don't want it to be proved mate,just be honest.

More ignorance from you shark,its not different versions,it's different publications from different company's or whatever.

I have five bibles in house,an old Catholic,kj,nkj,Niv,an one you get from hospitals that I forget the name off.

Iv went through them,an if you open each one at the same chapter an verse it says the same thing.

That's if the translation is correct, have you seen the original scriptures to verify everything is correct? Lol

[ditchman 3,252]

shhhhhhhhh......the lizard people are watching

[Daniel cain 48,347]

There's plenty of evidence that's been proved through the Bible lads,if you take the time and have a read....then a lot of Today's madness going on in the world is explained/predicted ...

How true is the paragraph below?

 

 

 

Is there any evidence that the Bible is true?

 

 

There is, for instance, physical evidence. We have copies of the manuscripts and throughout history these copies show that the Bible has been transmitted accurately. Despite common skeptical claims that the Bible has often been changed through the centuries, the physical evidence tells another story.

 

I was a non believer myself for yrs,for my own personal reasons...but I picked it up and started reading it 4/5 yrs ago....and it started making sense,the people that govern us,don't want you having faith/beliefs, because they can't control you that's why religion is attacked from every angle...its become a dirty word...the mad thing is....those that have faith like the Jews, Catholics, Muslims are the ones thriving ,sticking together,looking after their own,while the rest of you are feeling down trodden and treated no better than cattle by the government that's inslaved you

 

You don't have to go into a church to be a believer folks....just accept Jesus into your heart....

[Pardus 1,610]

1 minute ago, Daniel cain said:

There's plenty of evidence that's been proved through the Bible lads,if you take the time and have a read....then a lot of Today's madness going on in the world is explained/predicted ...

How true is the paragraph below?

 

 

 

Is there any evidence that the Bible is true?

 

 

There is, for instance, physical evidence. We have copies of the manuscripts and throughout history these copies show that the Bible has been transmitted accurately. Despite common skeptical claims that the Bible has often been changed through the centuries, the physical evidence tells another story.

 

I was a non believer myself for yrs,for my own personal reasons...but I picked it up and started reading it 4/5 yrs ago....and it started making sense,the people that govern us,don't want you having faith/beliefs, because they can't control you that's why religion is attacked from every angle...its become a dirty word...the mad thing is....those that have faith like the Jews, Catholics, Muslims are the ones thriving ,sticking together,looking after their own,while the rest of you are feeling down trodden and treated no better than cattle by the government that's inslaved you

 

You don't have to go into a church to be a believer folks....just accept Jesus into your heart....

You're as well saying Matt Groening is god, throw enough shit and some will stick.

[Francie, 2,759]

2 minutes ago, Pardus said:

You're as well saying Matt Groening is god, throw enough shit and some will stick.

There's over a 1000 prophecy that have been fulfilled already

[Pardus 1,610]

This is also the words of our God, quite the vengeful type.

30 You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her.