mushroom 13,953 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 Just now, chartpolski said: If you believe The Copenhagen Interpretation the three of us could be right ! LOL ! Cheers. I’m a full believer…… that all and anything is possible and probable lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,609 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 That's not exactly true. Even if the universe is infinite it doesn't guarantee that every theoretical possibility occurs. The laws of physics still apply, so you won't see a Jellyfish sat in the White House ruling the US. An infinite space doesn't mean infinite outcomes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WataWalloper 3,261 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 It’s all a simulation anyways, no point in arguin about it haha 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,953 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 How is it that we can observe things that do not follow any set pattern that we have defined as a physics law? Quantum, black holes, dark matter, none of which follow current conventional laws of physics. Infinite universe = Infinite potential = infinite possibilities = they’re both right somewhere, in theoretical mathematics Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,953 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, WataWalloper said: It’s all a simulation anyways, no point in arguin about it haha Crazy idea but if true, anything can be programmed therefore infinite possibilities, therefore both of them are correct 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WataWalloper 3,261 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 Just now, mushroom said: Crazy idea but if true, anything can be programmed therefore infinite possibilities, therefore both of them are correct It’s the only logical explanation haha haha I’ll go make a brew an wait for the Big Bang now haha 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,609 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 I don't think they break the laws of physics, quantum physics isn't law breaking, just massively complex. Black holes adhere to relativity, they were predicted well before we ever saw them. Dark matter obeys gravity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,953 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 8 minutes ago, Pardus said: I don't think they break the laws of physics, quantum physics isn't law breaking, just massively complex. Black holes adhere to relativity, they were predicted well before we ever saw them. Dark matter obeys gravity. None of what you’ve said is correct. Quantum breaks all laws of physics, black holes were a prediction in relativity yet do not conform to the laws of physics as we know them (what happens to the information/data). Dark matter doesn’t because if it exists is pushing the universe apart and increasing its speed. We have mathematical theories that can account and allow but they are not laws of physics. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,609 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 9 minutes ago, mushroom said: None of what you’ve said is correct. Quantum breaks all laws of physics, black holes were a prediction in relativity yet do not conform to the laws of physics as we know them (what happens to the information/data). Dark matter doesn’t because if it exists is pushing the universe apart and increasing its speed. We have mathematical theories that can account and allow but they are not laws of physics. You are wrong, quantum physics don't break all laws of physics, it is the laws of physics at the smallest scale. It's behaviours still follow precise mathematical laws. Black holes again follow known laws of physics outside the Event Horizon but inside it's beyond our current understanding. You're confusing Dark Matter with Dark Energy, Dark Energy is causing the accelerated expansion of the Universe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotty12 3,606 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 55 minutes ago, chartpolski said: They are already here mate, mChull and Francie ! I’m sure they’ve been sent down to torment me ! LOL ! Cheers. My bets are on greb he’s defo from another planet ha ha. Think they also tapped into mushrooms head the other night as well he was definitely in a different dimension lol 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,953 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 7 minutes ago, Pardus said: You are wrong, quantum physics don't break all laws of physics, it is the laws of physics at the smallest scale. It's behaviours still follow precise mathematical laws. Black holes again follow known laws of physics outside the Event Horizon but inside it's beyond our current understanding. You're confusing Dark Matter with Dark Energy, Dark Energy is causing the accelerated expansion of the Universe. Nope physics and maths cannot reconcile quantum entanglement even at the most basic level. Black holes you are correct that up to a point to the event horizon seem to follow what we know. Once matter/energy is inside they make no sense hence no models to explain the structure, internal dynamics or how there seem to be periodical bursts of energy that leave the event horizon. Dark energy and matter have not even been proven to exist yet from what we know about the laws of physics (e.g. matter anti matter) dark matter/energy shouldn’t be able to exist with normal together. Dark would be anti gravity yet gravity is based (in our current understanding) on mass, so dark would theoretically have zero or minus mass to be in contradiction. Try googling the theory of everything. How reconciliation of relativity, quantum and string have proven impossible by the greatest minds of the last 100 years. Hawkins worked on this problem for over 50 years and came no closer to resolving it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 31,123 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 2 minutes ago, mushroom said: Nope physics and maths cannot reconcile quantum entanglement even at the most basic level. Black holes you are correct that up to a point to the event horizon seem to follow what we know. Once matter/energy is inside they make no sense hence no models to explain the structure, internal dynamics or how there seem to be periodical bursts of energy that leave the event horizon. Dark energy and matter have not even been proven to exist yet from what we know about the laws of physics (e.g. matter anti matter) dark matter/energy shouldn’t be able to exist with normal together. Dark would be anti gravity yet gravity is based (in our current understanding) on mass, so dark would theoretically have zero or minus mass to be in contradiction. Try googling the theory of everything. How reconciliation of relativity, quantum and string have proven impossible by the greatest minds of the last 100 years. Hawkins worked on this problem for over 50 years and came no closer to resolving it. And grebs about to do it in 30 mins lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greg64 3,022 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 11 minutes ago, mushroom said: Nope physics and maths cannot reconcile quantum entanglement even at the most basic level. Black holes you are correct that up to a point to the event horizon seem to follow what we know. Once matter/energy is inside they make no sense hence no models to explain the structure, internal dynamics or how there seem to be periodical bursts of energy that leave the event horizon. Dark energy and matter have not even been proven to exist yet from what we know about the laws of physics (e.g. matter anti matter) dark matter/energy shouldn’t be able to exist with normal together. Dark would be anti gravity yet gravity is based (in our current understanding) on mass, so dark would theoretically have zero or minus mass to be in contradiction. Try googling the theory of everything. How reconciliation of relativity, quantum and string have proven impossible by the greatest minds of the last 100 years. Hawkins worked on this problem for over 50 years and came no closer to resolving it. you lost me after NOPE 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,953 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 2 minutes ago, Greyman said: And grebs about to do it in 30 mins lol ChatGPT and Perplexity are great tools In honesty, I’m just remembering what I learnt at uni and what I’ve read since. Not once have I used any tool, including Google, to reply to this topic. The concept of infinity has always grabbed me by the balls and I’ve done and do read as much as I can about it. There are mathematical problems that have to use infinity just to make them work and give a clear result. Usually infinity will cancel itself out. When it doesn’t, well that’s where the men are separated from the boys and I’m a boy again lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 2,740 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 1 hour ago, chartpolski said: So you don’t believe the bible when it says god formed man out of clay and blew life into him ? There’s evolutionists and creationists, they can’t be reconciled Youve already said you believe that all primates have a common ancestor, you’re not a creationist then ? Cheers. Of course I beleived God created man,by common ancestor I mean that the monkeys today common ancestor an that's from when God created them,maybe I'm misusing common ancestor,il change that with long lost monkey cousin haha 1 hour ago, Pardus said: We do have transition fossils, fish with limbs, showing the transition from aquatic to land animals. Dinosaurs with feathers, claws and teeth, showing the link between reptiles and birds. Whales, fossils showing how whales evolved from land-dwelling animals as these transition species still had leg bones that were useless. OK get them up an we will go through them,iv done this with the same fossils on here years ago before you were on,but we'll do it again,pick one an well start from there mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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