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[mackay 3,598]

11 hours ago, WILF said:

I have to admit mate, I’ve almost completely changed my mind over the last year about Reform…..keep seeing the same people that got us here join week after week has done me.

These ex Tory’s are traitors and scum just like their Labour counterparts…..f**k em.

Granted I still think they have a value in showing the hard of thinking that the two party system can be broken but I’m afraid people who are actually paying attention will, as Gnasher has in fairness to him consistently said, see that they are no change at all really…..At least not for all the things that are REALLY killing the nation.

Im slowly coming to the conclusion that it don’t matter anymore, it’s too far gone, if a really radical group with far reaching ideas don’t get in then it matters little…..it’s all just going to burn and sort itself out.

So it’s either vote for proper people or let it burn, either works !

jmho of course 

At this moment in time we have no option but to vote reform and yes I'm aware of what you're saying and it could well be pointless but it's all we've got. If Farage and reform are a ploy to appease the masses then it shows how deep the corruption goes and if that is the case perhaps Rupert Lowe is part of the ploy to. Where does it stop ?.  It would also indicate that voting for any party no matter how far to the right they are is probably also pointless and that leaves the second situation you mention, crash and burn, as that might well be what it takes. This is decades of control and corruption and the people who have orchestrated it are not going to relinquish that control lightly.

[WILF 49,920]

2 hours ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Your football analogue is a good one but I have one for you as well Im pretty sure you would "throw your support" behind Millwall if their result effected West Hams in a positive way? I hate Bristol Rovers but if them winning (hardly ever happens mind) meant Bristol City were going to be promoted I would don a blue and white hat and sing Goodnight Irene (In private). 

I will put this out there, The English Democrat party a far right party who stood in Runcorn and Helsby had 95 votes, if 7 more voters who leant to the far right would have given them their vote instead of Reform, giving them a massive 102 votes, Runcorn and Helsby would be a Labour run council. For a far right party to have been elected in that constituency they would have needed a massive 12,543 votes on top of what they achieved.

A vote for anyone other than Reform in that case was a vote for Labour If you want to split the uni party a vote for anyone other than Reform is a vote for Labour or Tory.............. now that's  common sense.       

I think the point that is being made mate is, as far as our lives are concerned, what would it have mattered if Labour had won ? 
If they are not fundamentally different then it doesn’t matter at all.

[WILF 49,920]

20 minutes ago, mackay said:

At this moment in time we have no option but to vote reform and yes I'm aware of what you're saying and it could well be pointless but it's all we've got. If Farage and reform are a ploy to appease the masses then it shows how deep the corruption goes and if that is the case perhaps Rupert Lowe is part of the ploy to. Where does it stop ?.  It would also indicate that voting for any party no matter how far to the right they are is probably also pointless and that leaves the second situation you mention, crash and burn, as that might well be what it takes. This is decades of control and corruption and the people who have orchestrated it are not going to relinquish that control lightly.

I agree that it’s important people are shown the two party system can be broken…..but I think it’s equally important that we don’t fall into a mindset of “job done” because it won’t be job done.

We just need to understand that, and this is just my humble opinion, that a vote for Reform is just symbolic…..it carries no more weight than that in terms of the effect it will have on the state the nation is in.

I was back in London last weekend and nothing less than mass deportation of the 3rd world, born there or not, has to be part of a million things that need doing to fix the place.

I had a day in a lovely little part of London, you’d be easily forgiven for thinking “This is cool” because it is…..but get outside that tiny spec and travel on public transport you realise how f***ing awful it is……London and my old area just outside are disgusting.

It all feels like what it is, a formerly advanced European nation completely taken over by the 3rd world and allowed to become filthy and broken….much like the places they all come from !

The cherry on the top was an elderly white bloke clearly living in a tent on the railway embankment ! 
It’s just f***ing all horrible !

Reform are saying nothing that would even begin to put that right. 

[Greyman 31,515]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

I agree that it’s important people are shown the two party system can be broken…..but I think it’s equally important that we don’t fall into a mindset of “job done” because it won’t be job done.

We just need to understand that, and this is just my humble opinion, that a vote for Reform is just symbolic…..it carries no more weight than that in terms of the effect it will have on the state the nation is in.

I was back in London last weekend and nothing less than mass deportation of the 3rd world, born there or not, has to be part of a million things that need doing to fix the place.

I had a day in a lovely little part of London, you’d be easily forgiven for thinking “This is cool” because it is…..but get outside that tiny spec and travel on public transport you realise how f***ing awful it is……London and my old area just outside are disgusting.

It all feels like what it is, a formerly advanced European nation completely taken over by the 3rd world and allowed to become filthy and broken….much like the places they all come from !

The cherry on the top was an elderly white bloke clearly living in a tent on the railway embankment ! 
It’s just f***ing all horrible !

Reform are saying nothing that would even begin to put that right. 

Every journey starts with one step mate 

[WILF 49,920]

15 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Every journey starts with one step mate 

Agreed…..I’m not suggesting people don’t vote reform, it’s just a conversation.

I think it’s only right now that we do have a much harder look at everyone and understand exactly what they are…..and I think people are paying more attention and that’s a good thing.

The lesson for all of us, imho, is that we should never again be “comfortable” with any of them…..and if we understand the scale of the problem we also understand if all these people are talking out of their arse. 
Blair took the country away and people hardly noticed….we should make sure we take notice of everyone now.

Ill just add, all the ex Tory’s who are joining reform should never be forgiven, they are scum and should be regarded as nothing less just because they have a different coloured rosette and are now saying things we want to hear.

Edited 3 hours ago by WILF

[WILF 49,920]

I’ve just heard that cheeky c**t the King on the telly talking about VJ Day and the lads who fought there……traitorous f***ing prick !

 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,087]

54 minutes ago, WILF said:

I think the point that is being made mate is, as far as our lives are concerned, what would it have mattered if Labour had won ? 
If they are not fundamentally different then it doesn’t matter at all.

I get that but then we may as well just stop debating and complaining and accept the outcome which is depressingly defeatist.  

[mackay 3,598]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

I’ve just heard that cheeky c**t the King on the telly talking about VJ Day and the lads who fought there……traitorous f***ing prick !

 

Looking back when they were talking of the queen abdicating in favour of Charles it now becomes blatantly obvious why she hung in there as long as she could. I've never been a die hard royalist but had respect for her majesty Queen Elizabeth. In my opinion the royal family are a busted flush and your man Charles has went a long way to finishing them off.

[WILF 49,920]

1 hour ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

I get that but then we may as well just stop debating and complaining and accept the outcome which is depressingly defeatist.  

Fair 

[gnasher16 31,424]

5 hours ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Your football analogue is a good one but I have one for you as well Im pretty sure you would "throw your support" behind Millwall if their result effected West Hams in a positive way? I hate Bristol Rovers but if them winning (hardly ever happens mind) meant Bristol City were going to be promoted I would don a blue and white hat and sing Goodnight Irene (In private). 

I will put this out there, The English Democrat party a far right party who stood in Runcorn and Helsby had 95 votes, if 7 more voters who leant to the far right would have given them their vote instead of Reform, giving them a massive 102 votes, Runcorn and Helsby would be a Labour run council. For a far right party to have been elected in that constituency they would have needed a massive 12,543 votes on top of what they achieved.

A vote for anyone other than Reform in that case was a vote for Labour If you want to split the uni party a vote for anyone other than Reform is a vote for Labour or Tory.............. now that's  common sense.       

It only makes a difference if there is something to gain !.....if Bristol Rovers winning meant Bristol City got promoted to exactly the same league they are already in then what has been achieved ???

The whole point is that Reform are no different to what we already have.....tell me how they are different ?

Its like Farage has played the whole " patriot " role until he has got you....and now he has got you he is already resorting back to the role he was originally put in place for....so while a lot of the genuine patriots who got swept along out of sheer desperation are now seeing who he truly is and jumping ship,others have that " football fan mentality " and are staying loyal to something that isnt even what they really want !

The fact you's were told by Farage that something needed to be done about the Islamic problems in the country yet now literally anyone who mentions the Islamic problem is removed from the party or not allowed to join the party by a " leader " who now says we need to make peace with Islam....the fact the party has a Muslim chairman.....the fact that Reforms potential London mayor candidate Ant Middleton legged it from the party and is likely going to be replaced by Laila whatsit (another Muslim )....the fact that when European leaders tried to set up a Patriotic right wing organisation Farage refused to align to it.....the  so called " mass deportations " that now wont be .....the fact that Gb News who fully support and promote Farage refuse to have Tommy Robinson on their show openly calling him a white supremacist........and on and on and on.....i mean,these things must raise an eyebrow with you people....no ?.....or are you all so grateful to have had blokey bloke Nige with a beer in his hand telling you how he was one of your own last year when we was all desperate for a hero that the comfort you've been feeling with this renewed hope is blinding you from the reality of what it actually is = nothing different to the norm.......well, thats what controlled opposition looks like mate.

Edited 1 hour ago by gnasher16

[TRUEBRIT66 2,087]

10 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

It only makes a difference if there is something to gain !.....if Bristol Rovers winning meant Bristol City got promoted to exactly the same league they are already in then what has been achieved ???

The whole point is that Reform are no different to what we already have.....tell me how they are different ?

Its like Farage has played the whole " patriot " role until he has got you....and now he has got you he is already resorting back to the role he was originally put in place for....so while a lot of the genuine patriots who got swept along out of sheer desperation are now seeing who he truly is and jumping ship,others have that " football fan mentality " and are staying loyal to something that isnt even what they really want !

The fact you's were told by Farage that something needed to be done about the Islamic problems in the country yet now literally anyone who mentions the Islamic problem is removed from the party or not allowed to join the party by a " leader " who now says we need to make peace with Islam....the fact the party has a Muslim chairman.....the fact that Reforms potential London mayor candidate Ant Middleton legged it from the party and is likely going to be replaced by Laila whatsit (another Muslim )....the fact that when European leaders tried to set up a Patriotic right wing organisation Farage refused to align to it.....the  so called " mass deportations " that now wont be .....the fact that Gb News who fully support and promote Farage refuse to have Tommy Robinson on their show openly calling him a white supremacist........and on and on and on.....i mean,these things must raise an eyebrow with you people....no ?.....or are you all so grateful to have had blokey bloke Nige with a beer in his hand telling you how he was one of your own last year when we was all desperate for a hero that the comfort you've been feeling with this renewed hope is blinding you from the reality of what it actually is = nothing different to the norm.......well, thats what controlled opposition looks like mate.

And Nick Griffin had his tongue up a Muslim podcasters arse a few months back so I guess we cant even trust the far right. Like Wilf said looks like were fooked.  

[gnasher16 31,424]

Just now, TRUEBRIT66 said:

And Nick Griffin had his tongue up a Muslim podcasters arse a few months back so I guess we cant even trust the far right. Like Wilf said looks like were fooked.  

The extreme right and extreme left were always going to merge at some point that was always on the cards......thankfully neither are relevant in politics anymore.

 

[WILF 49,920]

I have upto fairly recently been chatting on and off with a Reform bird that was just on Jim Davidsons podcast…..she gos by the name of Sophie Preston Hall.

I actually asked her the question about how can they be any different or any kind of change if they are just filling their ranks with all the same people that have betrayed the nation.

To be fair, she is a very polite bird to chat to and always strives to give a proper answer but she genuinely couldn’t, all she could offer was:

”I totally understand, I can’t logically disagree but it’s just time to pick a side” 

I’ll leave all of you to make of that reply what you will. 

[gnasher16 31,424]

 And there you have it...." its time to pick a side "......something us knuckle draggers have always said it will end up coming down to !