FLATTOP 5,065 Posted yesterday at 20:55 Report Share Posted yesterday at 20:55 30 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Apart from the odd few divs coming in from surrounding areas with a " something to do " mentality.....for the most part all three nights have been genuine concerned local folk of all ages at The Bell Hotel.....you wont get none of that trashing their own areas,looting and suchlike like the darkies do or their own people will turn on them. Cant say i relish the thought of the lad Robinson pitching up here next week as it'll just turn into a load of old " Tommy Tommy " carry on....had a stroll round past there today theres a massive great big hoarding all round the hotel and not a migrant to be seen....if nothing else its stopped them strutting about like they own the gaff. You could see at the beginning when all the women encircled the hotel with there banners ect that it was genuinely concerned local residents who are worried about their kids safety, but there is as you say an element of youngsters wearing balaclavas goading the old bill itching for a bit of aggro it’s not the way to go about it, but it seems the arrests and trouble seems to be highlighted more and gains more attention putting the hotel in the headlines, it’s good to hear though that the people in that hotel are not walking about like they own the gaff. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greg64 3,022 Posted yesterday at 21:00 Report Share Posted yesterday at 21:00 4 minutes ago, Seagull said: Yes, but that's not down to race or genetics, it's down to a culture that is not willing to change. at the end of the day it doesn't matter it's like oil and water mate and they just don't mix and never will 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 184 Posted yesterday at 21:03 Report Share Posted yesterday at 21:03 Just now, greg64 said: at the end of the day it doesn't matter it's like oil and water mate and they just don't mix and never will I don't fully agree as the moderates do, but yes, the zealots will never fit in. These extremists should not be able to use religion as an excuse for their behaviour. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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WILF 49,528 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, Seagull said: I don't fully agree as the moderates do, but yes, the zealots will never fit in. These extremists should not be able to use religion as an excuse for their behaviour. In religions where everyone is a brother before and above everything else…..how do you spot the zealot ? Genuinely interested to know Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 184 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago Just now, WILF said: In religions where everyone is a brother before and above everything else…..how do you spot the zealot ? Genuinely interested to know What do you mean by that? I don't believe that they all support the zealots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,528 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, Seagull said: Yes, but that's not down to race or genetics, it's down to a culture that is not willing to change. Let’s say scientists are about right and that African has about a 200,000 year head start on the rest of humanity…….why then does it look like Africa ? Wheres it’s Notre Dame or it’s Whitehouse or it’s Windsor or it’s Prague or it’s Versailles or scientific or industrial inventions ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,528 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Seagull said: What do you mean by that? I don't believe that they all support the zealots. Every Muslim (let’s say muslim for some context) is a Muslim and brother of another Muslim before family, country, state, position in life, passport, nationality or even race……an offence to one is an offence to all, a jihad to one is a jihad to all…..when one falls another stands up in his place…..today a newsagent or solicitor or bus driver, tomorrow a soldier of Islam ! How do you spot the zealots when everyone is a zealot ? hope that clears the question up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 184 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 8 minutes ago, WILF said: Let’s say scientists are about right and that African has about a 200,000 year head start on the rest of humanity…….why then does it look like Africa ? Wheres it’s Notre Dame or it’s Whitehouse or it’s Windsor or it’s Prague or it’s Versailles or scientific or industrial inventions ? That's not really true though is it because you, me and the rest of the globe descended from people that migrated out of Africa relatively recently in our existence. As for why, it's probably multiple reasons, climate, geography, flaura, fauna. A good book to read for you is Guns, Germs & Steel, thought provoking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 184 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 7 minutes ago, WILF said: Every Muslim (let’s say muslim for some context) is a Muslim and brother of another Muslim before family, country, state, position in life, passport, nationality or even race……an offence to one is an offence to all, a jihad to one is a jihad to all…..when one falls another stands up in his place…..today a newsagent or solicitor or bus driver, tomorrow a soldier of Islam ! How do you spot the zealots when everyone is a zealot ? hope that clears the question up. I don't believe that at all, not all are zealots, in fact most are not. If it was as you say, we would literally have thousands or millions committing jihad against us, that's clearly not the case is it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ditchman 3,219 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 8 minutes ago, WILF said: Let’s say scientists are about right and that African has about a 200,000 year head start on the rest of humanity…….why then does it look like Africa ? Wheres it’s Notre Dame or it’s Whitehouse or it’s Windsor or it’s Prague or it’s Versailles or scientific or industrial inventions ? often thought about that exact question.............having spent many years there the reason (i think) is because of the seasons/weather.............. in Europe there are seasons where there is nothing to eat wise ...so the northern hemisphere had to learn to lookforward into the future and prepare for the time of cold and little food.....the ability of looking into the long term future is something we take for granted the African has a very poor ability to look further than a few days and they have an almost no existent spacial abilty thats how it seems to me what do you rekon ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greg64 3,022 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 minute ago, ditchman said: often thought about that exact question.............having spent many years there the reason (i think) is because of the seasons/weather.............. in Europe there are seasons where there is nothing to eat wise ...so the northern hemisphere had to learn to lookforward into the future and prepare for the time of cold and little food.....the ability of looking into the long term future is something we take for granted the African has a very poor ability to look further than a few days and they have an almost no existent spacial abilty thats how it seems to me what do you rekon ? i think you think about food to much 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 184 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 minute ago, ditchman said: often thought about that exact question.............having spent many years there the reason (i think) is because of the seasons/weather.............. in Europe there are seasons where there is nothing to eat wise ...so the northern hemisphere had to learn to lookforward into the future and prepare for the time of cold and little food.....the ability of looking into the long term future is something we take for granted the African has a very poor ability to look further than a few days and they have an almost no existent spacial abilty thats how it seems to me what do you rekon ? One theory, another theory is that because the fauna of Africa evolved alongside humans, they were almost impossible to tame and difficult to hunt whereas those that left Africa encountered animals that had never met humans so were easier to tame. As you say though, perhaps encountering alien lands made those that left Africa more adaptable and creative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,528 Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago 5 hours ago, ditchman said: often thought about that exact question.............having spent many years there the reason (i think) is because of the seasons/weather.............. in Europe there are seasons where there is nothing to eat wise ...so the northern hemisphere had to learn to lookforward into the future and prepare for the time of cold and little food.....the ability of looking into the long term future is something we take for granted the African has a very poor ability to look further than a few days and they have an almost no existent spacial abilty thats how it seems to me what do you rekon ? I’ve never really thought that deeply about it, I just tend to take things as I see them…..as in, if I look out the window and a dog is pissing up a lamp post then that’s because that’s is what dogs do, it in their nature. Like if you put rope and hammocks and trees in the chimp pen at the zoo you don’t expect them to have fashioned a tent and chairs when you come back…..they are just swinging off it and shitting on the floor….its just how they are. We don’t even have to go back millennia to complete the picture, when the various European colonial powers left Africa they left them with pretty much all modern infrastructure like railways etc……but far from using it, maintaining it, thriving with it…..they just broke it. Africa has everything, growing areas which are the richest on planet earth, minerals, precious metals, glorious weather, rich seas, wood and stone…..everything in abundance…..and after 400,000 years they are still cutting up old tyres to make sandals ! Sort of tells you all you need to know really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,528 Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago 5 hours ago, Seagull said: I don't believe that at all, not all are zealots, in fact most are not. If it was as you say, we would literally have thousands or millions committing jihad against us, that's clearly not the case is it? Isn’t it ?……you tell me ? What does jihad look like ?…..does it have to be soldiers with guns or can it be by silence ?, getting yourself into positions of power ?, undermining other cultures to weaken them ?, acquiring crucial infrastructure ?, promoting your culture in new and expanding areas ? So, you tell me 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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