mC HULL 15,671 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 36 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Just out of interest, the theory from several experts in geopolitics is that putins ultimate goal is to expand Russia’s borders to Poland and down through to the stans. Subjacting upwards of up to 100 million people . where’s the democracy in that ? you really believe that stiff ? as trump said he gets in power it will stop in 24 hr all putin wants is a buffer zone to nato 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,857 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 7 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Just out of interest, the theory from several experts in geopolitics is that putins ultimate goal is to expand Russia’s borders to Poland and down through to the stans. Subjacting upwards of up to 100 million people . where’s the democracy in that ? I don't think he does at all, just keep the buffer zone that both sides agreed on to end the cold war. Would America let Russia invest in Mexico, finance their new president and have bio labs on its border ? Putin is a hard-line leader, in many ways a dictator.....but so are western leaders, they just give us the illusion of freedom. As has been said western leaders are the champions of war crimes. 6 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,627 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) In Putins speech the other day, he said he regards parts of Ukraine and other east European countries as historical parts of greater Russia. I can't recal him talking about buffer zones, but that may have been lost in translation. Theres now talk about him "re-absorbing" Belarus into Russia. Im certainly no geopolitical expert, but it sounds more like recreating the USSR than buffer zones. Cheers. Edited February 24, 2023 by chartpolski 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 15,671 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 3 hours ago, chartpolski said: In Putins speech the other day, he said he regards parts of Ukraine and other east European countries as historical parts of greater Russia. I can't recal him talking about buffer zones, but that may have been lost in translation. Theres now talk about him "re-absorbing" Belarus into Russia. Im certainly no geopolitical expert, but it sounds more like recreating the USSR than buffer zones. Cheers. belarus would love to be part a russia again wouldnt they chart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 3 hours ago, chartpolski said: In Putins speech the other day, he said he regards parts of Ukraine and other east European countries as historical parts of greater Russia. I can't recal him talking about buffer zones, but that may have been lost in translation. Theres now talk about him "re-absorbing" Belarus into Russia. Im certainly no geopolitical expert, but it sounds more like recreating the USSR than buffer zones. Cheers. but are both not one and the same?. After WW2 Russia declared that not a drop of Russian blood would ever again be spilt on The soil of the Motherland. Hence the buffer zone of Countries surrounding Russia, The EU backed by NATO has pushed further and further into that buffer zone and is Now at the Russian Border in Ukraine, The Cuban missile crisis is a good example of the boot being on the other foot, so to speak. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 15,671 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, paulus said: but are both not one and the same?. After WW2 Russia declared that not a drop of Russian blood would ever again be spilt on The soil of the Motherland. Hence the buffer zone of Countries surrounding Russia, The EU backed by NATO has pushed further and further into that buffer zone and is Now at the Russian Border in Ukraine, The Cuban missile crisis is a good example of the boot being on the other foot, so to speak. spot on even american senators are saying this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 minute ago, mC HULL said: spot on even american senators are saying this You only need to look at a map Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 15,671 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, paulus said: You only need to look at a map Lol plus usa said nato wouldnt expect and beyond germany yet people still think russia are to blame brainwashing is real Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,627 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 42 minutes ago, mC HULL said: belarus would love to be part a russia again wouldnt they chart I’ve no idea, but I doubt Lukashenko would agree. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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THE STIFFMEISTER 16,875 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 13 hours ago, mC HULL said: you really believe that stiff ? as trump said he gets in power it will stop in 24 hr all putin wants is a buffer zone to nato Lol how big is his buffer zone ?? 120 million people deep ? Anyway all this “what aboutery “is a bollocks , the c**t has no right to Ukraine . He can give all the Christian sound bites he wants , but if he ain’t acting Christian , it’s all piss in the pool . 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 9,292 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) Russia signed an agreement with NATO in 1997. Nato agreed not to have any significant military presence in any of the countries bordering Russia. Then Russia annexed Crimea. The agreement was therefore defunct. Russia was not holding to its side of the bargain. The clue to Putin is his talk of the "fatherland" and his statement that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people. He then unleashes terror, destruction and death on Ukrainians. Thousands of civilian lives lost and 9 million Ukrainian people displaced. How people can defend Putin and bleat about aggressive NATO actions is beyond me. To quote Stiff: "the c**t has no right to Ukraine". Edited February 24, 2023 by jukel123 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dogmandont 10,060 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Russia signed an agreement with NATO in 1997. Nato agreed not to have any significant military presence in any of the countries bordering Russia. Then Russia annexed Crimea. The agreement was therefore defunct. Russia was not holding to its side of the bargain. The clue to Putin is his talk of the "fatherland" and his statement that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people. He then unleashes terror, destruction and death on Ukrainians. Thousands of civilian lives lost and 9 million Ukrainian people displaced. How people can defend Putin and bleat about aggressive NATO actions is beyond me. To quote Stiff: "the c**t has no right to Ukraine". And neither has America. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 9,292 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 Just now, dogmandont said: And neither has America. Fair. Situations are never black and white. There are grey areas and the USA is loving the situation. But Putin is in the wrong..... big time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 2,771 Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 28 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Russia signed an agreement with NATO in 1997. Nato agreed not to have any significant military presence in any of the countries bordering Russia. Then Russia annexed Crimea. The agreement was therefore defunct. Russia was not holding to its side of the bargain. The clue to Putin is his talk of the "fatherland" and his statement that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people. He then unleashes terror, destruction and death on Ukrainians. Thousands of civilian lives lost and 9 million Ukrainian people displaced. How people can defend Putin and bleat about aggressive NATO actions is beyond me. To quote Stiff: "the c**t has no right to Ukraine". I dont agree with countries invading others,russia took crimea,the yanks has taken iraq afghanistan libiya etc millions of innocents dead,thousands of yank an brit soldiers dead,not the politicians children that were sent mind you. At the end of the day its the politicians are who are at fault,the blood is on there hands. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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