Trainability

[shaaark 11,635]

8 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

I don’t think I’m explaining myself. 
 

Man breeds litter out of two ‘specialist’ foxing dogs, let’s say a bull grey type, nice and racey.

By your token the pups are ‘specialist’ fox dogs.

Man buys a pup out of that litter and uses it to kill deer, it kills lots of deer. It’s very good at it. So is it now a specialist fox dog or deer dog?

What happens if he kills lots of fox and deer and the dog is great at both. Now it’s not as good as a specialist dog it’s an all rounder, but it’s not. Who knows.

Another laddo gets one and smashes Charlie with the pup he gets and it’s a genuine fox dog and also it will kill rabbits as good as any dog on the lamp. But not as good as a specialist rabbit dog ? But it’s catching most of the rabbits it runs getting good hauls..... so now it can’t be a specialists fox dog any more cos it’s good at the rabbits ? 
 

And don’t get me started on the deer dog who would do you a pile of lamped hares ..... what’s he ?  

That's actually a good post, and pretty much what I was going to say last night, on this subject.

Doesn't really matter how, or what the dog was originally bred for, it's what the owner uses it for that matters, at the end of the day.

[SheepChaser 8,091]

4 minutes ago, shaaark said:

That's actually a good post, and pretty much what I was going to say last night, on this subject.

Doesn't really matter how, or what the dog was originally bred for, it's what the owner uses it for that matters, at the end of the day.

Thank you. What I’ve found works for me, is to find a dog bred to be hard and gritty which is fast enough and well enough out together to do what I want. Mostly I’ve been shoe horning fox dogs into other rolls, this pup I’ve got is first one that’s been bred with something else in mind originally. I always start at a fox and work backwards. 

[mC HULL 17,178]

1 hour ago, Gypsydog94 said:

Sounds like you need a bedlington whippet to me 

The old mark brick on here big bags a rabbit big numbers of fox doubled (same as most specialist dogs) bambi and even run against hare dogs In The day so man had descent tackle no saluki in em think beddy whip  

are specialist fox dogs not slipped on rabbit hare because it’ll be f****d before you see a fox ?? 

[shaaark 11,635]

2 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

always start at a fox and work backwards. 

Interesting that.  Not fox, but I threw out the 'start them on rabbits and work up' way of thinking, with a couple of my dogs years ago.  Found I had a better dog for it.

[SheepChaser 8,091]

3 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

The old mark brick on here big bags a rabbit big numbers of fox doubled (same as most specialist dogs) bambi and even run against hare dogs In The day so man had descent tackle no saluki in em think beddy whip  

are specialist fox dogs not slipped on rabbit hare because it’ll be f****d before you see a fox ?? 

They are collie types. And two dogs dancing about with a fox while you run like f*ck to stab it isn’t a fox dog. 

[SheepChaser 8,091]

Just now, shaaark said:

Interesting that.  Not fox, but I threw out the 'start them on rabbits and work up' way of thinking, with a couple of my dogs years ago.  Found I had a better dog for it.

Sorry I meant more, to me a dog which can bend and kill plenty foxes on lamp and hunt up and kill them day for itself, will catch and kill most anything else I want to catch day or night. But a dog bred for something else may not do the fox bit. 

[SheepChaser 8,091]

2 minutes ago, shaaark said:

Interesting that.  Not fox, but I threw out the 'start them on rabbits and work up' way of thinking, with a couple of my dogs years ago.  Found I had a better dog for it.

But I do concur as we don’t really have many rabbits to start a dog so just hunt and run what’s there from when they start out doing what they do. 

[shaaark 11,635]

Just now, SheepChaser said:

Sorry I meant more, to me a dog which can bend and kill plenty foxes on lamp and hunt up and kill them day for itself, will catch and kill most anything else I want to catch day or night. But a dog bred for something else may not do the fox bit. 

I can see what you mean. 

[South hams hunter 8,997]

5 hours ago, mC HULL said:

I don’t come on spouting shite mate  

everything I said Is truth  

what worries me is the kennel blind crew voting 23% in favour of a bull grey  

 

Bullxs are very biddable and just want to please and kill game

[mC HULL 17,178]

4 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

They are collie types. And two dogs dancing about with a fox while you run like f*ck to stab it isn’t a fox dog. 

I know they was allrounders  

quality wouldn’t a been doubled and would finish same with bambi  

[mC HULL 17,178]

6 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

Bullxs are very biddable and just want to please and kill game

Like any descent running dog then  

[South hams hunter 8,997]

13 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

The old mark brick on here big bags a rabbit big numbers of fox doubled (same as most specialist dogs) bambi and even run against hare dogs In The day so man had descent tackle no saluki in em think beddy whip  

are specialist fox dogs not slipped on rabbit hare because it’ll be f****d before you see a fox ?? 

I've always been dubious about the stories of him and foxes. He sent me a pic himself of 2 dogs dancing around a Charlie and when I met him at a show he told me and a few lads that one bitch had done a silly number of fox but she didn't have a mark on her 

[poxon 5,989]

19 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

I don’t think I’m explaining myself. 
 

Man breeds litter out of two ‘specialist’ foxing dogs, let’s say a bull grey type, nice and racey.

By your token the pups are ‘specialist’ fox dogs.

Man buys a pup out of that litter and uses it to kill deer, it kills lots of deer. It’s very good at it. So is it now a specialist fox dog or deer dog?

What happens if he kills lots of fox and deer and the dog is great at both. Now it’s not as good as a specialist dog it’s an all rounder, but it’s not. Who knows.

Another laddo gets one and smashes Charlie with the pup he gets and it’s a genuine fox dog and also it will kill rabbits as good as any dog on the lamp. But not as good as a specialist rabbit dog ? But it’s catching most of the rabbits it runs getting good hauls..... so now it can’t be a specialists fox dog any more cos it’s good at the rabbits ? 
 

And don’t get me started on the deer dog who would do you a pile of lamped hares ..... what’s he ?  

 

21 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

I don’t think I’m explaining myself. 
 

Man breeds litter out of two ‘specialist’ foxing dogs, let’s say a bull grey type, nice and racey.

By your token the pups are ‘specialist’ fox dogs.

Man buys a pup out of that litter and uses it to kill deer, it kills lots of deer. It’s very good at it. So is it now a specialist fox dog or deer dog?

What happens if he kills lots of fox and deer and the dog is great at both. Now it’s not as good as a specialist dog it’s an all rounder, but it’s not. Who knows.

Another laddo gets one and smashes Charlie with the pup he gets and it’s a genuine fox dog and also it will kill rabbits as good as any dog on the lamp. But not as good as a specialist rabbit dog ? But it’s catching most of the rabbits it runs getting good hauls..... so now it can’t be a specialists fox dog any more cos it’s good at the rabbits ? 
 

And don’t get me started on the deer dog who would do you a pile of lamped hares ..... what’s he ?  

 

[mC HULL 17,178]

4 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

I've always been dubious about the stories of him and foxes. He sent me a pic himself of 2 dogs dancing around a Charlie and when I met him at a show he told me and a few lads that one bitch had done a silly number of fox but she didn't have a mark on her 

 seen plenty a dancers lol barking at it  
 

and not many been Sal bred  

 

[poxon 5,989]

37 minutes ago, shaaark said:

That's actually a good post, and pretty much what I was going to say last night, on this subject.

Doesn't really matter how, or what the dog was originally bred for, it's what the owner uses it for that matters, at the end of the day.

Sharrak this is what I’ve been trying to get at by keep saying about rabbit specialist an fox specialist it don’t matter odds are the same if they can an will do more