Old Traps

[Ken's Deputy 4,456]

16 hours ago, OldPhil said:

 An early Fenn...

  Lovely picture, worth repeating, Phil That too is a Mk III, of course. I've just this minute been glancing over exactly which model it was, etc. But, I've put my files away now.

And, the details of which Type it is. Where it came in the run of production, etc. would only be of interest to the Most obsessive Collector.

[comanche 2,799]

2 hours ago, Ken's Deputy said:

  Lovely picture, worth repeating, Phil That too is a Mk III, of course. I've just this minute been glancing over exactly which model it was, etc. But, I've put my files away now.

And, the details of which Type it is. Where it came in the run of production, etc. would only be of interest to the Most obsessive Collector.

Can't  work out from the photo if Phil's Mk111 wire-framed Fenn  has the four little holes in the plate that mine has .

Both my ones have the same  patent numbers on the trigger catch even though they are different .

[Ken's Deputy 4,456]

2 minutes ago, comanche said:

Both my ones have the same  patent numbers on the trigger catch even though they are different .

 Now you're just getting me at it, Comanche; Because you Know I'll now have to burrow back into my stick drives and pull out my records, Yet Again!

Must admit; I noticed mentions of various shit stamped on the catches of various Mk III's.

  Gimme a minute .....

[Ken's Deputy 4,456]

Ah. Yes. " Fenn Pat No. 763891. " appeared on ALL Mk III's. Apart from the prototype. It continued into at least some Mk IV's.

  Interestingly; " 763891 " appeared on the Mk II's too. But, they tended to have the plate stamped with 'Patent Applied For'.

Really pleased that you asked now, aren't you? (Yes;I can feel your eyes glazing over from here! )

You mark my words: Our Great Grandchildren will lose sleep, for cursing Our names if they become Serious Trap Collectors and ever get to hear that We had this information.

[comanche 2,799]

59 minutes ago, Ken's Deputy said:

Ah. Yes. " Fenn Pat No. 763891. " appeared on ALL Mk III's. Apart from the prototype. It continued into at least some Mk IV's.

  Interestingly; " 763891 " appeared on the Mk II's too. But, they tended to have the plate stamped with 'Patent Applied For'.

Really pleased that you asked now, aren't you? (Yes;I can feel your eyes glazing over from here! )

You mark my words: Our Great Grandchildren will lose sleep, for cursing Our names if they become Serious Trap Collectors and ever get to hear that We had this information.

So by the time the Mk111  came about, the patent had been granted.

[Ken's Deputy 4,456]

Yep. See, now, how all these tiny snippets can start to make a man think; " So, what about ....? "

Saddest thing is? There'll simply never Be another mentor like mine. A guy who was uniquely placed. Right place. Right time. And a fukker for recording details.

He passed on to me everything he knew. Only a few people in the world now hold that information. Those who've never heard of it now speak of " A Juby Trap "

" Oh, yes. I have the Juby Trap in my collection. I have Both types of Imbra! Blah, blah, blah. "

  Fukk me! There's more like a Dozen, distinctive types of fukking " Juby " trap alone!

Twenty years ago, I told a Head Gamekeeper I'd like to ask him about a Juby Trap I was researching. " What's a 'Juby Trap'?! " was his reply!

Thirty years time? Will Trap Collecting even still be allowed?

[Ken's Deputy 4,456]

Jack Hargreaves once showed an Anglo, on Out Of Town. I actually wrote to him and asked who's it was, and if they'd sell it.

Replied, in hand writing, on a postcard featuring a couple of nicely turned out cobs. Makes me wonder what lunacy he must have had to have put up with through his career.

Practically as vilified as fukking Plummer, in some quarters. Personally? I think he's a Legend! He brought ferreting rabbits, shooting pheasants and dumping nondescript lumps of wood and rusty metal onto a table and saying;

" Now: What do you think That is? Cheerio. "

To absolutely fukking Prime Time (Friday evening) national TV. That man held practically the entire fukking population of England in the palm of his hand. Every fukking week. Mum. Dad. The kids. All glued to the screen.

That man knew how to wave a towel!

[OldPhil 5,364]

Just checked the old Fenn ...it has the same Patent Number as quoted...763891

I have to chuckle at Ken's Deputy's responses....his words remind me of Michael Corleone when he said, " I thought I was out of it,..but, it dragged me back in again"...

That's old traps for ye...

 

[Ken's Deputy 4,456]

25 minutes ago, Stockpot said:

 I'll give it a scrape at the weekend and see if I can find anything.

Scrape?! Soak it in a simple bowl of hot water and detergent first, mate!

Then, hit it gently with a tooth brush. Think how those people whose careers are in ruins ..... Archaeologists! That's them. How they do it.

Thing to remember is 'There's always tomorrow, to come back to it afresh and do a bit more.'

Put anything metallic against it and you're challenging it. What if you wire brushed off some mark, or ripped a part off? Happens!

[Ken's Deputy 4,456]

12 minutes ago, OldPhil said:

I have to chuckle at Ken's Deputy's responses....his words remind me of Michael Corleone when he said, " I thought I was out of it,..but, it dragged me back in again"...

 

More than a grain of truth in that, mate!

Really just trying to protect the ember. Maybe even breath, lightly, on it?

[Ken's Deputy 4,456]

All this led me to find the following. Frankly; One of the best and most startlingly informative narratives I've ever seen, about Jack.

I sat and thought about it. What should I do with it? 'General Talk' would probably get it massive views.

But, then; Such saturation coverage always throws up the imbeciles: " We once watched a skin diver sent to put a fish on his hook! " Or, " My mate said he saw him shoot a pregnant fallow doe, on an estate near here! ".

I just cannot be doing with Bollocks. Especially when the kunts talking it offer not a shred of evidence to back their false bravado up, and are just spewing vitriol through their keyboards.

So, no. Fukk it. I'll hide it in here. Let the few of you with enough interest in old shit to have read this far quietly enjoy it.

But, fukk me! The calibre of the man is just fukking astounding!

(And sorry, whipper snappers, But; Max Bygraves, singing " Out Of Town " will always be the proper anthem, for me! The pony cart and Spanish guitar came in decades later! )

A cracking read!

 

Edited May 21, 2021 by Ken's Deputy
ALWAYS check your links! I nearly treated you all to negro, amputee dwarf porn!!!

[earth-thrower 490]

On 20/05/2021 at 21:09, Stockpot said:

Haven't found a makers name or patent number on it, but as Ken's Deputy has pointed out, it's really cheap and nasty. It's also covered in black gunk! I'll give it a scrape at the weekend and see if I can find anything.

thanks, for your response.

[Wolfdog91 6,272]

So question. Any reason in perticular English legholds have static springs instead of ones that rotate like ours ? O noticed that and always been curious if there as a reason 

[EDDIE B 3,120]

16 hours ago, Ken's Deputy said:

All this led me to find the following. Frankly; One of the best and most startlingly informative narratives I've ever seen, about Jack.

I sat and thought about it. What should I do with it? 'General Talk' would probably get it massive views.

But, then; Such saturation coverage always throws up the imbeciles: " We once watched a skin diver sent to put a fish on his hook! " Or, " My mate said he saw him shoot a pregnant fallow doe, on an estate near here! ".

I just cannot be doing with Bollocks. Especially when the kunts talking it offer not a shred of evidence to back their false bravado up, and are just spewing vitriol through their keyboards.

So, no. Fukk it. I'll hide it in here. Let the few of you with enough interest in old shit to have read this far quietly enjoy it.

But, fukk me! The calibre of the man is just fukking astounding!

(And sorry, whipper snappers, But; Max Bygraves, singing " Out Of Town " will always be the proper anthem, for me! The pony cart and Spanish guitar came in decades later! )

A cracking read!

 

Thanks for sticking up that link laddie. I will have a good look at it later when I have some free time, cheers!

[Ken's Deputy 4,456]

Wolfie; It's basically down to 'That's how we've always done it'.

Our earliest traps had flat springs, yeah? I hope you're familiar with what's meant by that, in this context. Otherwise you'll barely comprehend what I'm on about.

Anyway, a flat spring, obviously, needs some platform to spring from. And so the Stock Bar came into being. And the rest, as they say, is history. That's just how we made our traps.

There were, of course, exceptions. I once had a lovely, British made, example of a round jawed, double springed monster. It had swinging springs, like yours tend to.

Henry Lane (Like our answer to your Newhouse, if you like) produced some surprising designs. In particular, I'm thinking of their Jump Trap with an underspring.

But, yes; Generally speaking, a spring fixed to a stock bar ~ be it flat, bow, forged, pressed or wire ~ is just the British style.