7.7 Billion People & Counting

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

1 hour ago, iworkwhippets said:

oh come on mate, it makes for good viewing just look how many members click onto the topic when things start to get a bit naughty , 

Max is Walshies pet cock washer so watch what you say mate .

Squealed like a stuck mouse when things weren’t going his way

[WILF 50,336]

23 hours ago, baker boy said:

I watched an American scientist talking about this very subject maybe a week ago, he reckons the Earth can support 9 billion tops, when we reach that number we are well and truely fckt

What it said on the film was, we are f****d if we don’t change our habits mate.

What I took from it was that we are raping the planet in a way that can’t go on in order to prop up and artificial way of living.

They were in Sau Paulo and what struck me was kids all stuck in these high rise blocks, not a bit of trees or grass to be seen.

Residents are having to pay to dig their own bore holes for water because there isn’t enough.

They have dug 13000 round the city and now the aquifers are in danger of running dry.

 

[socks 32,253]

The bottom line is that third world countries that need propping up by the rest of the world need some sort of family planning put into place ... forcefully if needed. 

[WILF 50,336]

Just now, socks said:

The bottom line is that third world countries that need propping up by the rest of the world need some sort of family planning put into place ... forcefully if needed. 

When they were in Lagos, apparently there is a massive lagoon ?

Anyway, there is a vast (and I mean vast) shanty city built on stilts on top of compacted mounds of rubbish in this Lagoon !!......mate, you have never seen anything like it, it’s horrific ! 
They reckoned 2 million people lived in this gaff !

Absolutely no sanitation, method of rubbish disposal.....they just chuck it in the lake !

How they have not all died of cholera I just don’t know.

[socks 32,253]

15 minutes ago, WILF said:

When they were in Lagos, apparently there is a massive lagoon ?

Anyway, there is a vast (and I mean vast) shanty city built on stilts on top of compacted mounds of rubbish in this Lagoon !!......mate, you have never seen anything like it, it’s horrific ! 
They reckoned 2 million people lived in this gaff !

Absolutely no sanitation, method of rubbish disposal.....they just chuck it in the lake !

How they have not all died of cholera I just don’t know.

Ive seen places like that first hand mate and i always think why the fukc would you want to bring up a kid in a shit like this but the answer is simply ignorance and a lack of birth control ......

[chartpolski 28,019]

Nigeria; oil and minerals in abundance, but a hell hole.

Zimbabwe; once the "bread basket" of Africa, now a basket case.

Venezuela; biggest oil reserves in the world, but their people are starving.

Mexico; part of North America and a member of NAFTA along with America and Canada, but their people risk their lives to cross the border.

North Korea; Regular famines, yet South Korea is one of the richest, most successful countries in the world.

Why is this ? 

The only common denominator I can see is corrupt governance.

Cheers.

Edited March 30, 2021 by chartpolski

[South hams hunter 8,988]

3 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Nigeria; oil and minerals in abundance, but a hell hole.

Zimbabwe; once the "bread basket" of Africa, now a basket case.

Venezuela; biggest oil reserves in the world, but their people are staving.

Mexico; part of North America and a member of NAFTA along with America and Canada, but their people risk their lives to cross the border.

North Korea; Regular famines, yet South Korea is one of the richest, most successful countries in the world.

Why is this ? 

The only common denominator I can see is corrupt governance.

Cheers.

Of course it's corruption chart, they've got the money to buy weapon and ammo yet their people starve 

[WILF 50,336]

12 minutes ago, socks said:

Ive seen places like that first hand mate and i always think why the fukc would you want to bring up a kid in a shit like this but the answer is simply ignorance and a lack of birth control ......

That must be unbelievable the first time you see that mate ! Blimey !

Something else that I read in a farming paper here last year was this farm in Saudi or Dubai ?.....can’t quiet remember but one of those, and it had 120,000 cattle !

Now here is the really horrific bit, they were all housed indoors !.......never went out !

Vast quantities of feed shipped in from Brazil to feed them !

That just Cant be right can it ?

Edited March 30, 2021 by WILF

[socks 32,253]

15 minutes ago, WILF said:

That must be unbelievable the first time you see that mate ! Blimey !

Something else that I read in a farming paper here last year was this farm in Saudi or Dubai ?.....can’t quiet remember but one of those, and it had 120,000 cattle !

Now here is the really horrific bit, they were all housed indoors !.......never went out !

Vast quantities of feed shipped in from Brazil to feed them !

That just Cant be right can it ?

No it can’t because to farm enough feed to sustain those animals the rain forest needs to be cut down to make way for agriculture ... we lose 78 million acres of rainforest every year .... 78 MILLION .........

[sandymere 8,263]

 The rich are getting richer and the poor poorer and we are not long out of the slums ourselves, they were a part of our grandparent’s existence. Arthur Morrison described the Brick Lane slums and its environs in The Palace Journal as places of darkness where “human vermin” lived, sounds like our attitudes to slums in other parts of the world.

"Black and noisome, the road sticky with slime, and palsied houses, rotten from chimney to cellar, leaning together, apparently by the mere coherence of their ingrained corruption. Dark, silent, uneasy shadows passing and crossing – human vermin in this reeking sink, like goblin exhalations from all that is noxious around. Women with sunken, black-rimmed eyes, whose pallid faces appear and vanish by the light of an occasional gas lamp, and look so like ill-covered skulls that we start at their stare."

The poor had only the workhouses and I can remember as a student nurses having elderly patients refusing to go into a local cottage hospital in Suffolk as it had previously been a workhouse and the fear and horror that it instilled in them.  An example the description of a workhouse

"the Whitechapel Union is a model workhouse; that is to say, it is the Poor Law incarnate in stone and brick. The men are not allowed to smoke in it, not even when they are in their dotage; the young women never taste tea, and the old ones may not indulge in a cup during the long afternoons, only at half-past six o'clock morning and night, when they receive a small hunch of bread with butter scraped over the surface, and a mug of that beverage which is so dear to their hearts as well as their stomachs. The young people never go out, never see a visitor, and the old ones only get one holiday in the month. Then the aged paupers may be seen skipping like lambkins outside the doors of the Bastile, while they jabber to their friends and relations. A little gruel morning and night, meat twice a week, that is the food of the grown-up people, seasoned with hard work and prison discipline. Doubtless this Bastile offers no premium to idle and improvident habits; but what shall we say of the woman, or man, maimed by misfortune, who must come there or die in the street? Why should old people be punished for their existence?"

We have growing homelessness, child poverty and food bank dependence so how long before we too have widespread slums in the poorest area again? Then we, like the Victorians, can organise excursions to see the sights of the slums and blame the squalor on their own inadequacy whilst a report of someone conning a few thousand pounds from the social is front page news but tax evasion takes billions from the exchequer without the hoi pollii raising an eyebrow and our prime minster gifting 125 thousand of public money to his girlfriend is just fine...

 

 

Edited March 30, 2021 by sandymere

[Astanley 11,645]

1 hour ago, socks said:

Ive seen places like that first hand mate and i always think why the fukc would you want to bring up a kid in a shit like this but the answer is simply ignorance and a lack of birth control ......

Wolverhampton ?

[WILF 50,336]

32 minutes ago, sandymere said:

 The rich are getting richer and the poor poorer and we are not long out of the slums ourselves, they were a part of our grandparent’s existence. Arthur Morrison described the Brick Lane slums and its environs in The Palace Journal as places of darkness where “human vermin” lived, sounds like our attitudes to slums in other parts of the world.

"Black and noisome, the road sticky with slime, and palsied houses, rotten from chimney to cellar, leaning together, apparently by the mere coherence of their ingrained corruption. Dark, silent, uneasy shadows passing and crossing – human vermin in this reeking sink, like goblin exhalations from all that is noxious around. Women with sunken, black-rimmed eyes, whose pallid faces appear and vanish by the light of an occasional gas lamp, and look so like ill-covered skulls that we start at their stare."

The poor had only the workhouses and I can remember as a student nurses having elderly patients refusing to go into a local cottage hospital in Suffolk as it had previously been a workhouse and the fear and horror that it instilled in them.  An example the description of a workhouse

"the Whitechapel Union is a model workhouse; that is to say, it is the Poor Law incarnate in stone and brick. The men are not allowed to smoke in it, not even when they are in their dotage; the young women never taste tea, and the old ones may not indulge in a cup during the long afternoons, only at half-past six o'clock morning and night, when they receive a small hunch of bread with butter scraped over the surface, and a mug of that beverage which is so dear to their hearts as well as their stomachs. The young people never go out, never see a visitor, and the old ones only get one holiday in the month. Then the aged paupers may be seen skipping like lambkins outside the doors of the Bastile, while they jabber to their friends and relations. A little gruel morning and night, meat twice a week, that is the food of the grown-up people, seasoned with hard work and prison discipline. Doubtless this Bastile offers no premium to idle and improvident habits; but what shall we say of the woman, or man, maimed by misfortune, who must come there or die in the street? Why should old people be punished for their existence?"

We have growing homelessness, child poverty and food bank dependence so how long before we too have widespread slums in the poorest area again? Then we, like the Victorians, can organise excursions to see the sights of the slums and blame the squalor on their own inadequacy whilst a report of someone conning a few thousand pounds from the social is front page news but tax evasion takes billions from the exchequer without the hoi pollii raising an eyebrow and our prime minster gifting 125 thousand of public money to his girlfriend is just fine...

 

 

As consumers we hold the power mate, I genuinely believe that.

We have different ideas about what fixes stuff but I’m not a fan of “hurting the rich” just out of spite.

After all, it’s them that create the factories and business where everyone earns their living......I think it’s easy to forget that sometimes.

No, as voters and consumers we hold the power but you know yourself we are just too stupid to do anything with it.

We still talk in terms of Labour & Tory despite it being clear as day they have both failed, massively......why would we expect them to fix this particular problem ? 
 

No, I think the only people who can fix this is us with how we live, what we buy, what we eat, who we vote for.

As far as politics is concerned there is definitely someone out there who has some policy you think would do some good and who isn’t either of “them” !......just vote for them and see what happens.

 

[WILF 50,336]

18 minutes ago, Astanley said:

Wolverhampton ?

I used to have to hire a local Sherpa translator when I was up there ! Lol 

[sandymere 8,263]

One way to stop the one party control is to use a form of proportional representation, the conservatives got 43% of the vote yet hold a massive majority in parliament which means the majority of voters didn't vote for them yet they have a minority say.

[WILF 50,336]

6 minutes ago, sandymere said:

One way to stop the one party control is to use a form of proportional representation, the conservatives got 43% of the vote yet hold a massive majority in parliament which means the majority of voters didn't vote for them yet they have a minority say.

Given the chance again I would definitely vote for PR, last time I was thick as shit enough to believe all the bullshit and I voted against.

That was a massive mistake, we need to break the two party system.

However, that said, our politics is almost a mirror image of all western politics.....our two party’s could be any given two party’s right across Europe and indeed the United States.

Many people won’t accept that in the U.K. , Tory and Labour are one and the same animal......until everyone understands that, we won’t change anything.

Those people have no interest in creating an environment where people and planet matter most.

Edited March 30, 2021 by WILF