Black history month

[WILF 51,906]

Just now, ginger beard said:

And i’m guessing to behaved by their rules at their place but I never asked about that but it sort of does prove the point I was trying to make.

you dealt with loads of Africans so presumably they were helping your business and paying your mortgage,kids shoes and all the trappings.so in a direct way you relied upon them to some extent.

isnt it a bit like a conflict of interest. Going against your principles or don’t you see it like that.?

 

They had money to spend and I was happy to help them, same as any other customer...I didn’t go home every night and say “Oh thank f**k for the darkies, don’t know where I’d be without them”

If it wasn’t them buying it would have been someone else, them being African or Indian or Pakistani had no bearing on things.

I don’t have to walk round behaving like a pig to people mate, if the subject comes up I won’t hide my views like a spineless little no mark but I don’t have to abuse people to express myself......that was a caper for when I was a kid and didn’t know any better.

If an African said to me “I’m as British as you” I’d politely say “No, I don’t agree” 

I used to work East Lane Market near Elephant & Castle, them Africans there could be absolute pigs and without fail I always said “Oi, we don’t behave like that here, talk to me properly or f**k off” 

I just wouldn’t serve them.

They would holler and hoot and kick right off......never gave a f**k, my country so behave accordingly.

You don’t have to be a pig to make a point and you don’t have to compromise your principals to be compassionate.

[SheepChaser 8,091]

51 minutes ago, WILF said:

I think that’s a fair enough point.

So, for a start I don’t socialise with ethnics, they were just never in my social circle and I had no desire to be in places they frequent.

I dealt with loads of Africans because I used to sell them stuff to load in their containers that they were shipping back to Africa, same with Indians and Pakistanis.

Their pound note is the same colour as your pound note, they were on my premises and behaved to my rules.....any bollocks and they were out !

That rule applied to white people too so it wasn’t a racial thing but you definitely have to deal with them differently than you do white people.

For the most part they were very nice, one bloke even invited me to Cameroon, all expenses paid, he was going to lay on a driver/security bloke and give me full use of his house......said I could stay as long as I liked and he would make sure I had a good time.

Totally genuine offer from a totally genuine bloke.

Almost to a man none of them were pretending to be “British” or in any way invested in the country, they just wanted to exploit the gaff and made no secret of it.....had their old woman and kids plotted up in a flat in Peckham or where ever on the council, leave them all there while the kids got an education and the blokes themselves just lived like playboys between the UK and Africa.
 

They are here, it’s a reality, they are doing business and so was I.

Id just as happily see them all shipped home tomorrow but that isn’t going to happen is it.

I don’t see any conflict between relieving them of their money and thinking I should matter most in my own land.

They wasn’t pretending and I wasn’t pretending.

 

 

 

After all of the various points and debate, I actually finally get the basis of your argument. “Thinking I should matter most in my own land”. I get it.

As to Africa, I’ve spent a bit of time there, it’s very varied, it’s like any place, from one end to the other it changes a lot as do the people, despite being various shades of dark. It’s history and how it’s been intertwined with everyone else’s history is interesting. There’s something very fascinating about the place. Depressing to! And also amazing in many ways. 
 

But you’re right, it’s a f***ing mess in many ways for whatever reason.

But all of that doesn’t matter to your actual point.

Would be good to have a pint after COVID and discuss sheep, cows and racial politics  

[WILF 51,906]

6 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

After all of the various points and debate, I actually finally get the basis of your argument. “Thinking I should matter most in my own land”. I get it.

As to Africa, I’ve spent a bit of time there, it’s very varied, it’s like any place, from one end to the other it changes a lot as do the people, despite being various shades of dark. It’s history and how it’s been intertwined with everyone else’s history is interesting. There’s something very fascinating about the place. Depressing to! And also amazing in many ways. 
 

But you’re right, it’s a f***ing mess in many ways for whatever reason.

But all of that doesn’t matter to your actual point.

Would be good to have a pint after COVID and discuss sheep, cows and racial politics  

I’m on for the sheep and cows.....I’m sickened with the other, that’s why I f****d off ! Lol 

[WILF 51,906]

Ginger beard, just for reference mate, that there above is east lane market......and yes, it is England.

[DIDO.1 22,869]

9 hours ago, ginger beard said:

I hope this doesn’t get people’s backs up.i tried to put it like a debate but I can’t say it like some do.

It’s something I do and I think we all do.we come on here and bash the f**k out of  pakis and niggers but when we’re in their company or dealing with them,were totally respectful.

i’m guessing you both deal with them regularly or have at some point

i only live in a smallish market town so never grew up with them.i 1st black person I actually talked to was last year in Norway and he’s one of the boys.also got chatting to Somalian Muslims and they were sound.i only see them for 4 months but I actually socialise with the black.i noticed in my town it’s all getting a bit uncomfortable but I actually quite like a few of the polish.basically I don’t want them or blacks but I quite like some.

when do your principles become double standards.? If that makes sense.? Like you don’t want them here but your more than happy to deal with them.! 

Not an argument but want to hear your views.

 

 

I'm more than happy to have them here. But when they are coming in numbers that can more than fill a small UK city each year then it becomes different, more about the whole than the individual. 

Look at Spain. A limited number of English people living among the Spanish, learning their language and loving their culture is one thing.....when whole towns get swamped then those towns become little England, our ways swamp the natural inhabitants. A Spaniard wouldn't need to be a hypocrite or hate English people or have double standards to speak to and respect an individual if he had massive problems with what has happened to some places on the coast. 

When you have mass uncontrolled immigration you don't get the high standard of people from other countries, you get the bottom end of their societies trying to recreate their own countries and cultures here, just with our benifit and freedoms. The more that come the less they even have to learn our language....never mind our standards and principles. 

1 migrant loves the country he adopts. A million love the country they came from. Try telling me that the prominent black 'spokespeople' we here from today feel about Britain in the way the first wave of African migrants did in the 60's! Do you think they looked at our statues and thought 'that fuckers coming down' 

[ginger beard 4,654]

7 hours ago, WILF said:

Ginger beard, just for reference mate, that there above is east lane market......and yes, it is England.

I know mate.i used to stay in Bethnal Green at the weekends.uncomfortable for a white townie like myself.

I don’t want to mix with them or get to know any but all the ones I have would be welcome at mine anytime.is this like double standards and if it is why isn’t respecting them and doing business with them double standards too.?

i was and still am against all the polish coming over but here I am in Norway doing exactly what there doing.this is surely double standards so why isn’t immigrating to Ireland double standards with your view on immigration.

i hardly ever practise what I preach and think we’re all,everyone of us is guilty of the same when it suits us.

@gnasher16 you posted my original question back to me.yes I would save my black mate for a white I never knew.The only lives that matter are your family, your friends and their family’s or your circle whatever their colour.

 

 

[FOXHUNTER 5,022]

9 hours ago, WILF said:

Ginger beard, just for reference mate, that there above is east lane market......and yes, it is England.

How did we get into this state , glad I'm up North where it's not as bad.

[Greb147 6,810]

11 minutes ago, FOXHUNTER said:

How did we get into this state , glad I'm up North where it's not as bad.

Try telling the people of Bradford that.

As for Ginge, of course it's hypocritical. 

I recall folks on here and elsewhere moaning at the immigrants on our beaches during lockdown, us Brits have no respect for the locals when we are causing havoc abroad. 

Just imagine the outcry if foreigners came here for their holidays and creating scenes like us Brits do on a daily basis. 

[FOXHUNTER 5,022]

35 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Try telling the people of Bradford that.

Poor feckers , Bradford is South to me mate thank God.

[WILF 51,906]

1 hour ago, ginger beard said:

I know mate.i used to stay in Bethnal Green at the weekends.uncomfortable for a white townie like myself.

I don’t want to mix with them or get to know any but all the ones I have would be welcome at mine anytime.is this like double standards and if it is why isn’t respecting them and doing business with them double standards too.?

i was and still am against all the polish coming over but here I am in Norway doing exactly what there doing.this is surely double standards so why isn’t immigrating to Ireland double standards with your view on immigration.

i hardly ever practise what I preach and think we’re all,everyone of us is guilty of the same when it suits us.

@gnasher16 you posted my original question back to me.yes I would save my black mate for a white I never knew.The only lives that matter are your family, your friends and their family’s or your circle whatever their colour.

 

 

First of all, as I pointed out to someone else, the nation state and the concept of a nation state is young being only about 1000 years old.

You are a white Europeans living in the historically white continent of Europe.

I am a Britain living in the British isles.

You and I are not aliens to the places we inhabit.

As to your other points, you can see that as hypocritical if you want to, that is entirely an opinion that you are free to hold.
 

[WILF 51,906]

2 hours ago, DIDO.1 said:

I'm more than happy to have them here. But when they are coming in numbers that can more than fill a small UK city each year then it becomes different, more about the whole than the individual. 

Look at Spain. A limited number of English people living among the Spanish, learning their language and loving their culture is one thing.....when whole towns get swamped then those towns become little England, our ways swamp the natural inhabitants. A Spaniard wouldn't need to be a hypocrite or hate English people or have double standards to speak to and respect an individual if he had massive problems with what has happened to some places on the coast. 

When you have mass uncontrolled immigration you don't get the high standard of people from other countries, you get the bottom end of their societies trying to recreate their own countries and cultures here, just with our benifit and freedoms. The more that come the less they even have to learn our language....never mind our standards and principles. 

1 migrant loves the country he adopts. A million love the country they came from. Try telling me that the prominent black 'spokespeople' we here from today feel about Britain in the way the first wave of African migrants did in the 60's! Do you think they looked at our statues and thought 'that fuckers coming down' 

I think the key is in the word “guests”......when you go to a place you are not from you are a guest, you should be aware you are, the locals know you are and you behave as such.

I am, I know I am even though I’m just in another part of the British isles and I never forget it and behave accordingly.

We have been forced to stop treating these people as guests, we are meant to say they are exactly the same as us which they are obviously not and that they have as much claim to these lands as us, which they don’t.

Now they don’t behave as guests.

That finely balanced relationship between guest and host along with all its little unspoken rules has been destroyed......it’s gone further because now the guest is elevated above the host in his own house.

That is fundamentally against every human instinct.

[ginger beard 4,654]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

First of all, as I pointed out to someone else, the nation state and the concept of a nation state is young being only about 1000 years old.

You are a white Europeans living in the historically white continent of Europe.

I am a Britain living in the British isles.

You and I are not aliens to the places we inhabit.

As to your other points, you can see that as hypocritical if you want to, that is entirely an opinion that you are free to hold.
 

I’m with you it’s when I start using the phrase “people of colour” please track me down and shoot me.

Edited October 31, 2020 by ginger beard

[gnasher16 31,664]

On 30/10/2020 at 22:27, ginger beard said:

I hope this doesn’t get people’s backs up.i tried to put it like a debate but I can’t say it like some do.

It’s something I do and I think we all do.we come on here and bash the f**k out of  pakis and niggers but when we’re in their company or dealing with them,were totally respectful.

i’m guessing you both deal with them regularly or have at some point

i only live in a smallish market town so never grew up with them.i 1st black person I actually talked to was last year in Norway and he’s one of the boys.also got chatting to Somalian Muslims and they were sound.i only see them for 4 months but I actually socialise with the black.i noticed in my town it’s all getting a bit uncomfortable but I actually quite like a few of the polish.basically I don’t want them or blacks but I quite like some.

when do your principles become double standards.? If that makes sense.? Like you don’t want them here but your more than happy to deal with them.! 

Not an argument but want to hear your views.

 

 

Having an opinion on difficult subjects like race, and being willing to express them isnt anything to be afraid of mate.....proper people know how to address each other without insulting each other ive been around blacks id consider proper people and very rarely fallen out over such subjects.....we dont like to admit it as a society but as groups blacks and whites dont like each other, that doesnt mean we cant get along as individuals it just means its improbable that we will get along as larger groups.

Ive known a number of black lads over the years id consider pals/associates we have old fashioned back and forth banter on the subject of race both knowing we really mean it deep down...its not really a problem.....i always equate it to prison life.....when you are in prison nobody there is your friend but you all get along in the main, simply because it would be so much constant hassle and aggravation every day not to....but you dont particularly like each other.....working class lads coming up in diverse neighbourhoods works the same, theres no double standards because you all feel the same and are cracking along the same black or white but of course if/when push comes to shove you stick with your own.

[low plains drifter 11,501]

On 31/10/2020 at 00:25, WILF said:

Ginger beard, just for reference mate, that there above is east lane market......and yes, it is England.

Thought the tweed sporter must have been you Wilf

My mistake, small screen, and it appears to be a doris

 

[WILF 51,906]

13 minutes ago, low plains drifter said:

Thought the tweed sporter must have been you Wilf

My mistake, small screen, and it appears to be a doris

 

No, that’s me ! Lol