What If Rabbits Could Kill You?

[C.green 3,260]

19 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

And that's fair enough. I just don't value that 'gameness' exclusively or significantly above other traits. Any dog that displays any trait to an extreme level is nice to witness, but I want to see optimal balance ultimately. But I'm not a 'dogman', I'm a 'hunter'. They're not exclusive terms but it's the only way I can think to explain it.

I genuinely don't see what a head banging lunatic brings to anything tbh. I've seen every ounce of that drive (when it matters) in dogs that aren't liabilities or particularly hard work.

At what point do you have 'enough' and start worrying about other traits?

I just think it's a shame to get so hung up on one single trait to the point it ends a man's hunting life.

Its probably not best ideas to go into this on a forum but ill try to explain as best i can. Its not really about gameness or hardness once youve seen real good commitment out of a dog whether its a spaniel terrier lurcher or shepherd its hard to look at dogs not as comitted the same. I admire a good digging terrier but i dont own them now but i do keep a bushing type terrier im sure digging men would think what i keep are junk and although i admire a digging dog its no good to me i wouldnt take the best in the world for a gift. So i keep a less hassle type that i have more sport with i think alot donthat with lurchers thats fine but its when they try comparing the bushers to the digging dogs or the spaniel that works with a catty to the ftc spaniel ect or the pot about lurcher compared to sommat reared with specifics in mind.

[Born Hunter 17,910]

21 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Enough to make it humane mate . 
 

The only way to describe it is would you use an air rifle to shoot a roe buck ??

Fair one. Perhaps that's all that needs saying.

Edited October 3, 2020 by Born Hunter

[Born Hunter 17,910]

2 minutes ago, C.green said:

Its probably not best ideas to go into this on a forum but ill try to explain as best i can. Its not really about gameness or hardness once youve seen real good commitment out of a dog whether its a spaniel terrier lurcher or shepherd its hard to look at dogs not as comitted the same. I admire a good digging terrier but i dont own them now but i do keep a bushing type terrier im sure digging men would think what i keep are junk and although i admire a digging dog its no good to me i wouldnt take the best in the world for a gift. So i keep a less hassle type that i have more sport with i think alot donthat with lurchers thats fine but its when they try comparing the bushers to the digging dogs or the spaniel that works with a catty to the ftc spaniel ect

I guess were all looking for a different thing when we go into the field. I'm not judging anyone. I think talk of 'liabilites' possibly confused me.

[Greb147 6,810]

Puzzles me how a dog that is up for it and keen to get stuck in could ever get called a liability. 

Now if you're talking about a dog that is bad with other dogs then that's a different subject, they are a pain in the arse. 

[C.green 3,260]

I could only name one liabilty to be fair but its quite often very good dogs will have traits a little knock wont take out of em.sometimes its human aggression see this alot in coursing dogs but some bull x too some are bad to kennel bad travellers ect one i really dont like is any sort of dog aggression if a certain line or type was known for bieng fighters id avoid same as any other trait if they known for it and u dont like it steer clear

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,146]

5 minutes ago, C.green said:

I could only name one liabilty to be fair but its quite often very good dogs will have traits a little knock wont take out of em.sometimes its human aggression see this alot in coursing dogs but some bull x too some are bad to kennel bad travellers ect one i really dont like is any sort of dog aggression if a certain line or type was known for bieng fighters id avoid same as any other trait if they known for it and u dont like it steer clear

To follow that on , you know as well as I that one of the most used and well known coursing dogs in the uk Of the last twenty years was an absolute prick of a dog with other males and a fighter when travelling in vans etc . 
 

the dog also had loads of stick as in it would still be running and ploughing deep when the conditions were at there worst. 
 

maybe that attitude is linked 

[Blackmag 6,382]

1 hour ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

dislike steady dogs that run Charlie looking for that infamous executioners chop at the back of the neck . It’s bullocks and imho is the sign of a cowan that’s been ran doubled up

A dog like that to me will lose more than one of theses so-called liabilities (who will connect any were and then look to dispatch asap) they normally turn in to arse grabbers  or dancers that end up running round  taking more stick than a committed dog would there's dogs that will take fox and there's fox dogs 

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

Think we may be talking about the same thing just different descriptions .The dog that sees anything as fair game is the liability and the owner a worse one .A steady dog to me is one with no dramas not a coward lol .Weve all seen the arse grabbers that shy away from the bitey end ,most will have seen the do or die merchants but the dog that makes it all look smooth without dramas is to me the type I’d best like to keep given my time again .The fact it looks smooth is often overlooked and  ignored as it isn’t the drama some wish for .All just my opinion though .

[WILF 50,303]

57 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

To follow that on , you know as well as I that one of the most used and well known coursing dogs in the uk Of the last twenty years was an absolute prick of a dog with other males and a fighter when travelling in vans etc . 
 

the dog also had loads of stick as in it would still be running and ploughing deep when the conditions were at there worst. 
 

maybe that attitude is linked 

I tend to agree there could be a connection, a trait of meekness will show up somewhere I reckon.

I don’t know, I’m not saying a dog has to be attacking other dogs but they just tend to have a way of carrying themselves, sort of a quiet self confidence maybe?

The big lad of mine would push himself into a corner away from other dogs and that definitely showed up in the field......it just needed the right trigger to bring out that failing.

Edited October 3, 2020 by WILF

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

Have you got a stiffy for stiffy Wilf .

[WILF 50,303]

15 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

Have you got a stiffy for stiffy Wilf .

Don’t lower the tone fuckwit, it’s been a good conversation and you have said some good sensible stuff....Don’t go crashing off the end of the pier now, there’s a good lad

Edited October 3, 2020 by WILF

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,146]

18 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

Have you got a stiffy for stiffy Wilf .

Don’t be that guy . We have one of those already . 

[Greb147 6,810]

17 minutes ago, Rusty_terrier said:

I've just opened a beer. Perfect timing.

Lucky f****r, I'm in the pissing down rain all neet.

[Blackmag 6,382]

Fd you kept your own line didn't you  I seem to remember you saying why not bang some posts up about that and what you looked for regarding mating ect to improve things 

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

Done that mate and how do you reckon that turned out .