Sausagedog 7,381 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 45 minutes ago, FOXHUNTER said: I also agree , the big commercial shoots are not ethically justifiable. I don't think most people mind the smaller shoots shooting small bags but the large shoots shooting 500 birds + by a team of portly rich businessmen in their Range Rovers doesnt sit comfortably with mr average. Once grouse shooting has gone these shoots will be next .... I sincerely hope though that wild grouse shooting does not stop. That is done ethically in my opinion. 3 Quote Link to post
FOXHUNTER 5,021 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Sausagedog said: I sincerely hope though that wild grouse shooting does not stop. That is done ethically in my opinion. I agree but unfortunately Packham and his cronies dont Quote Link to post
Stavross 18,707 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 This is just my opinion but lead is not the problem with shotgun cartridges and I know the worry is contamination of food but it’s been used for many years with no proven detrimental effects ( as far as I know) it’s not like you are eating an ounce of the stuff, what annoys me is plastic and to me this is what cartridge manufacturers should be putting all their efforts into, at the minute you can only use fibre wad on my shoot and if you don’t pick your empties up after you I will stick them up your arse, if they could produce a cost effective biodegradable cartridge that shoots as good as any other I’d have no problem telling everyone that they must use them, even on my rounds I keep finding them and it drives me mental ( I’d still want them to pick up after themselves) 4 Quote Link to post
Stavross 18,707 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Sausagedog said: I sincerely hope though that wild grouse shooting does not stop. That is done ethically in my opinion. Wild grouse shooting must be the most sustainable and ethically sound form of game shooting, the birds are true wild game, counts are done and if the numbers are not there then they are not shot, a friend of mine works on a grouse moor and this year the numbers are low and with the virus the owner has decided not to have any grouse days this year, mainly to give them a rest and to concentrate on pheasant and partridge days, this used to be a 500 bird day shoot but since the new owner got involved those days are gone and it’s much more about better quality birds and the hospitality which can only be a good thing 4 Quote Link to post
BenBhoy 4,706 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, Stavross said: if you don’t pick your empties up after you I will stick them up your arse, Duly noted!! Just joking I do alway pick mine up, totally agree with you bud. We need to show the antis & packham brown nosers what it means to be a proper countryman. As opposed to a man who's a proper c**t. 3 Quote Link to post
Meece 1,958 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 round and round in ever diminishing circles. The stupid thing was that you could shoot a pheasant over a pond or river but it was illegal to shoot a duck flying over the middle of a thirty acre field. This is the total Stupidity of submissive compliance from basic. Good job basic didn't have anything to do with government during ww2 or we'd all be speaking in German.. basic are a load of fellows playing with their willies. Still if they ban lead I'm sure that a lot of people will roll their own. Quote Link to post
Sausagedog 7,381 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Stavross said: This is just my opinion but lead is not the problem with shotgun cartridges and I know the worry is contamination of food but it’s been used for many years with no proven detrimental effects ( as far as I know) it’s not like you are eating an ounce of the stuff, what annoys me is plastic and to me this is what cartridge manufacturers should be putting all their efforts into, at the minute you can only use fibre wad on my shoot and if you don’t pick your empties up after you I will stick them up your arse, if they could produce a cost effective biodegradable cartridge that shoots as good as any other I’d have no problem telling everyone that they must use them, even on my rounds I keep finding them and it drives me mental ( I’d still want them to pick up after themselves) Lead as a metal is not a problem. It's when it is changed chemically or combined with other elements and or as an oxide it becomes dangerous. Unfortunately jo blogs public don't understand that and anti hunting groups know that too so they induce fear upon the uneducated Quote Link to post
Alsone 789 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 9 hours ago, Stavross said: This is just my opinion but lead is not the problem with shotgun cartridges and I know the worry is contamination of food but it’s been used for many years with no proven detrimental effects ( as far as I know) it’s not like you are eating an ounce of the stuff, what annoys me is plastic and to me this is what cartridge manufacturers should be putting all their efforts into, at the minute you can only use fibre wad on my shoot and if you don’t pick your empties up after you I will stick them up your arse, if they could produce a cost effective biodegradable cartridge that shoots as good as any other I’d have no problem telling everyone that they must use them, even on my rounds I keep finding them and it drives me mental ( I’d still want them to pick up after themselves) Personally, I've never found fibre wads an issue. I used to shoot at a clay shoot and I never found my peformance limited by fibre wads. They also patterned well against a plate at least from 3-4 metres. The bighgest environmental issue is the cartidge itself. We need to return to the waxed paper outers insetad of plactic and as Stavros says, take the thigns home. Even with plastic ones you'vre still got brass plated steel heads. Best recycled. There are some plastic wads now that disolve within 24 hours of contact with water after being shot. However, they're not widely available and the trouble with all these "innovations" is who is going to pay for them? With lead, there's no real alternative. The alternatives don't perfom as well at range and also have their own drawbacks eg. steel - range, choking, potential barrels wear, iron poisoning, Tin - lack of energy, toxicity, cost, Bismuth - cost, toxicity, Tungsten - cost, toxicity. There is no viable alternative. All the alternatives still have toxicity issues and the only 2 that come close to lead performance are so expensive as to make use impracticable for anyone that fires more than a couple of shots a day. 5 Quote Link to post
Born Hunter 17,960 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 12 hours ago, Meece said: round and round in ever diminishing circles. The stupid thing was that you could shoot a pheasant over a pond or river but it was illegal to shoot a duck flying over the middle of a thirty acre field. This is the total Stupidity of submissive compliance from basic. Good job basic didn't have anything to do with government during ww2 or we'd all be speaking in German.. basic are a load of fellows playing with their willies. Still if they ban lead I'm sure that a lot of people will roll their own. It's not stupidity, it's obviously by design, for ease of policing. If they had allowed that loophole, then literally nothing would've been shot with non-toxic! "It was over a field Officer" LOL In fact, even without that loophole it's arguable that the rules are almost completely ignored anyway. Quote Link to post
Born Hunter 17,960 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Alsone said: With lead, there's no real alternative. The alternatives don't perfom as well at range and also have their own drawbacks eg. steel - range, choking, potential barrels wear, iron poisoning, Tin - lack of energy, toxicity, cost, Bismuth - cost, toxicity, Tungsten - cost, toxicity. There is no viable alternative. All the alternatives still have toxicity issues and the only 2 that come close to lead performance are so expensive as to make use impracticable for anyone that fires more than a couple of shots a day. I'm currently testing depleted Uranium from my reactor in the shed. Watch this space..... (at a safe distance and with sufficient shielding!) 1 Quote Link to post
Alsone 789 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Born Hunter said: I'm currently testing depleted Uranium from my reactor in the shed. Watch this space..... (at a safe distance and with sufficient shielding!) They already tried that in Iraq. It allegedly made people sick and not just the ones they shot with it! (at least according to some reports from around the time). Now if you could use that reactor to manufacturer some adamantium or unobtanium, we'd all be sitting dandy. You could be our own personal pusher, for cheap of course to get us hooked on the lead free alternative. Edited August 1, 2020 by Alsone Quote Link to post
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