Deker 3,453 Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 5 hours ago, jukel123 said: If that fat bloke with the dinner jacket and bow tie had been dressed in normal clothing I am sure more people would be more angry about the incident. Psychologically people seem to think he had a right to take the woman by the throat because he was a toff. How dare an ordinary woman invade their banquet no doubt paid for us by us! In my local boozer, if any man, power dressed or not, seized a woman by the throat I can guarantee normal blokes would be queuing up to give him a slap, which is as it should be. He's a disgrace and a coward. He didn't grad her by the throat, he escorted her out pushing her by her back, and the back of her neck! Look at it this way, what if she was carrying a knife or gun or bomb and was about to kill Phillip Hammond, don't you think that everyone would have complained and said why didn't someone stop her before she got to him!!!!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,318 Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 38 minutes ago, Deker said: Look at it this way, what if she was carrying a knife or gun or bomb and was about to kill Phillip Hammond, don't you think that everyone would have complained and said why didn't someone stop her before she got to him!!!!! And IF your sister had bollocks shed be your brother ! Phillip Hammond......blimey, what a loss to the nation that would be ! Lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Watson708 0 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 Absolutely right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deker 3,453 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, WILF said: And IF your sister had bollocks shed be your brother ! Phillip Hammond......blimey, what a loss to the nation that would be ! Lol ...and IF your wife or daughter (or various other contributors) had been invited to sit at the top table and ended up spread all over the walls when the bomb went off the contents of a number of posts above would have been considerably different! We live in an uncertain and very dangerous world, if a protester/suicide bomber is intercepted on route then tuff as far as I'm concerned, (male, female, child, any ethnic minority or LGBT etc etc etc) and well done to the bloke for removing a potential threat! Edited June 25, 2019 by Deker 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,180 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, Deker said: ...and IF your wife or daughter (or various other contributors) had been invited to sit at the top table and ended up spread all over the walls when the bomb went off the contents of a number of threads above would have been considerably different! We live in an uncertain and very dangerous world, if a protester/suicide bomber is intercepted on route then tuff as far as I'm concerned, (male, female, child, any ethnic minority or LGBT etc etc etc) and well done to the bloke for removing a potential threat! Fully agree, she thought fu ck you I’ll do what I want I’m a lefty cock sucker that’s above the normal law, as the extremist left seem to think as per norm. Slap it up her, if it was my sister getting on like that I’d warn her of the dangers that she’s getting into, and to expect retaliation as you will only get away with it so many times then karma will bite back 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, Deker said: ...and IF your wife or daughter (or various other contributors) had been invited to sit at the top table and ended up spread all over the walls when the bomb went off the contents of a number of threads above would have been considerably different! We live in an uncertain and very dangerous world, if a protester/suicide bomber is intercepted on route then tuff as far as I'm concerned, (male, female, child, any ethnic minority or LGBT etc etc etc) and well done to the bloke for removing a potential threat! Christ, by that logic you'd justify her being killed. To any reasonable person she was no threat, just a nuisance. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deker 3,453 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Christ, by that logic you'd justify her being killed. To any reasonable person she was no threat, just a nuisance. Its always easy commenting after the event, how would you have known at the time she was a nuisance rather than a threat? I'm not justifying her being killed, I'm suggesting the blokes action were perfectly reasonable. He didn't slap up a harmless female, he used proportionate force to remove a potential threat. I note no police action has been taken against him despite the video of the incident being in the public domain, they obviously consider he did nothing wrong! Even the woman said...… Asked if she felt Mr Field's actions amounted to criminal assault, Ms Barker said: "No, I don't think so...………….." Edited June 25, 2019 by Deker 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deker 3,453 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 On 22/06/2019 at 19:47, walshie said: I'd imagine there was police security there with Cabinet ministers present. They should be looking for new jobs. By all accounts there is currently an investigation taking place into how SECURITY failed to stop the protesters getting into the meeting! Mark Field should never have been placed in a position where he felt compelled to act, others failed around him, so as far as I'm concerned it was a good job he was there! Suggestions of him slapping around and grabbing a helpless woman by the throat are greatly exaggerated, look at the video, and again, why hasn't he been charged by the Police, it is only an assortment of tree hugging/PC organisations like Greenpeace etc that are saying he assaulted her. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,318 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Deker said: ...and IF your wife or daughter (or various other contributors) had been invited to sit at the top table and ended up spread all over the walls when the bomb went off the contents of a number of posts above would have been considerably different! We live in an uncertain and very dangerous world, if a protester/suicide bomber is intercepted on route then tuff as far as I'm concerned, (male, female, child, any ethnic minority or LGBT etc etc etc) and well done to the bloke for removing a potential threat! You don’t seriously apply that logic to your life do you mate?........I bet you don’t go out much. Lol All this imagining vastly over exaggerated disaster outcomes is a bit of a national disease it seems these days.......I call it “Fanny syndrome” 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 41 minutes ago, Deker said: Its always easy commenting after the event, how would you have known at the time she was a nuisance rather than a threat? I'm not justifying her being killed, I'm suggesting the blokes action were perfectly reasonable. He didn't slap up a harmless female, he used proportionate force to remove a potential threat. I note no police action has been taken against him despite the video of the incident being in the public domain, they obviously consider he did nothing wrong! Even the woman said...… Asked if she felt Mr Field's actions amounted to criminal assault, Ms Barker said: "No, I don't think so...………….." A woman... dressed in a gown.... reading loudly about climate change.......... yep, I see it now, suspiciously mass murdery. If 'you' reasonably suspect someone is a suicide bomber, you shoot them in the head as many times as it takes for them to hit the ground. If it was 'reasonable' to say she was a threat then you can justify killing her. It's that simple. So I don't recognise "she might have been a threat" as a credible justification at all. I agree though that she needed to be dealt with, simply as a nuisance. He got carried away and frankly let himself down. Also I don't think anyone has said what he did was illegal, I wouldn't say that anyway. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deker 3,453 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: A woman... dressed in a gown.... reading loudly about climate change.......... yep, I see it now, suspiciously mass murdery. If 'you' reasonably suspect someone is a suicide bomber, you shoot them in the head as many times as it takes for them to hit the ground. If it was 'reasonable' to say she was a threat then you can justify killing her. It's that simple. So I don't recognise "she might have been a threat" as a credible justification at all. I agree though that she needed to be dealt with, simply as a nuisance. He got carried away and frankly let himself down. Also I don't think anyone has said what he did was illegal, I wouldn't say that anyway. What exactly does a murderer/suicide bomber look like? We have a very different view on the event and I suspect that will not change. But even she says she doesn't consider he assaulted her, so I'm not following why so many seem to have a down on him! Edited June 25, 2019 by Deker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
micky 3,325 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 I think the man did the right thing and should be commended for doing it the woman thought she was fireproof because she has got away with it most of her life but now she knows she is not ………...Has anyone on here ever had to chuck a Woman out of a Pub ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,318 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, Rusty_terrier said: Your the one up in arms about her being roughly ejected and how it's a disgrace we are paying for his dinner I’m not “up in arms” as you put it, I nearly expressed the opinion that he had no right to manhandle the girl and that I actually think she is protesting about a decent cause. But nah, because she is a member of Greenpeace and (according to most of you a vegan!.....dont know how you worked that out?) you think this dudes well in the right. Bunch of prats, a member of the same Tory party building all over England (over land where the game you hunt has to live!) and inviting about 8 zillion oddmarks into the gaff to live and you think he is a top bloke.......if half of you had a brain you’d be dangerous ! Lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Deker said: What exactly does a murderer/suicide bomber look like? By asking that question you are implying that it's unknowable and therefore he was justified in his alleged fear that she was a threat? If that's the case then should I treat every person I meet like that, because they might be? If you really want an answer to that question then we can research the history of suicide bombers but I suspect that's not quite the point you were getting at.. 11 minutes ago, Deker said: We have a very different view on the event and I suspect that will not change. But even she says she doesn't consider he assaulted her, so I'm not following why so many seem to have a down on him! Our views aren't that different really. I agree she needed to be dealt with and I agree that anyone has a right to do that. But if his actions were the actions of a man that feared she was some sort of terrorist then he was incredibly well behaved. That was just an excuse, he knew perfectly well what she was about. "please remove her!...... please remove her!" hmmmm If I reasonably thought someone was a threat to life I'd flatten the c**t as fast as possible with all the spite I could muster until I was confident they were out of action! Again, I don't much give a f**k about her in honesty but he behaved gratuitously and let himself down. Who knows what he's gone through though? Maybe he has been targeted by her ilk for months and that was a factor. It happens. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delswal 3,817 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 8 hours ago, WILF said: I’m not “up in arms” as you put it, I nearly expressed the opinion that he had no right to manhandle the girl and that I actually think she is protesting about a decent cause. But nah, because she is a member of Greenpeace and (according to most of you a vegan!.....dont know how you worked that out?) you think this dudes well in the right. Bunch of prats, a member of the same Tory party building all over England (over land where the game you hunt has to live!) and inviting about 8 zillion oddmarks into the gaff to live and you think he is a top bloke.......if half of you had a brain you’d be dangerous ! Lol Wilf I don't think I've ever really disagreed with you.........YET lol. Why do you think he had no right to manhandle her? She was trespassing a private function she had no right to be there at all, if she wanted to protest she could have done so out on the street as the guests from that lunch were leaving. But no she and others chose to cause disruption did she really think that she was going to be allowed a soapbox for a 10 minute rant? not a chance and she knew it. As far as manhandling goes..............he grabbed her by the back of her neck and marched her out at a brisk pace causing her no harm whatsoever. Talk of mountains and molehills...................I wonder how you would react if some unwashed tramp barged into your kitchen when you're having a meal to complain about you rearing pigs and then killing them? I bet they would be sat down with a coffee followed by an explanation of your reasons eh, while your wife and kids looked on? like feck they would be slung out quicker than you could say get the feck out. atb...........Del 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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