We Very Nearly Had Another Mass Shooting In One Of Our Schools!

[riohog 5,900]

 

 

 

It's still far to easy to obtain a shotgun cert and bullet gun licences seem to be handed out with ease.

Anyone with any history of mental illness' domestic violence or GBH' ABH' Affray ect ect should not be awarded a gun licence of any kind.

Police and GPs should work together before any decision on a licence application is granted.

Police should have access to all applicants GP records.

We've got some of the most draconian licensing laws and procedures in the world! None of the above would have done anything to help prevent what has happened here.

Is it that draconian in the uk? To get a shotgun cert? I found it really easy.....

 

 

Yes, they're draconian relative to most other Western countries. And it wasn't just shotgun licensing that was mentioned, 'bullet guns' were too. Like I said, how would any of those suggestions have helped here?

 

Any further restrictions on licensing seem reasonable to improve public safety when the current level of restrictions become the new normal. Just keep compromising until it's all gone.

 

If the attitude is "any level of restriction in justifiable to prevent legally held guns being used or misused resulting in harm" then that only leads to one place, a complete ban on legal firearms.

 

same old same old .as in the knee jerk reaction after hungerford and dunblane , it did absolutly nothing to kerb gun crime ,becouse 99% of gun crime is with illigal guns , .but as usual its easy to take a ticket than deal with the real issue of illigal firearms .in the above case i suppose there was a breach of security regarding the fact the lad knew were the keys were to the cabinet ,but a nutter is a nutter if he was in the frame of mind to hurt someone he would find another way of doing it ..

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

It's still far to easy to obtain a shotgun cert and bullet gun licences seem to be handed out with ease.

Anyone with any history of mental illness' domestic violence or GBH' ABH' Affray ect ect should not be awarded a gun licence of any kind.

Police and GPs should work together before any decision on a licence application is granted.

Police should have access to all applicants GP records.

 

We've got some of the most draconian licensing laws and procedures in the world! None of the above would have done anything to help prevent what has happened here.

Is it that draconian in the uk? To get a shotgun cert? I found it really easy.....

Yes, they're draconian relative to most other Western countries. And it wasn't just shotgun licensing that was mentioned, 'bullet guns' were too. Like I said, how would any of those suggestions have helped here?

 

Any further restrictions on licensing seem reasonable to improve public safety when the current level of restrictions become the new normal. Just keep compromising until it's all gone.

 

If the attitude is "any level of restriction in justifiable to prevent legally held guns being used or misused resulting in harm" then that only leads to one place, a complete ban on legal firearms.

In this situation then of course nothing could of helped. I think the uk has a very low amount of serious incidents concerning licensed guns? Obviously we have had the odd mass shooting involving license holders, but on the whole I think we have quite good record in that respect. Which I think is a good thing.

 

Like I've said before, to hunt with a gun here, you need to sit down & do a detailed written exam on the fauna under the hunting license & knowledge of the countryside in general, that would rule out quite a few shot gun cert/fac holders I know! So it could be worse.....

Obviously next to the US our gun laws are always going to seem draconian....

I think a complete ban on firearms is a little over dramatic mate, it ain't going to happen ;-)

[riohog 5,900]

 

 

 

 

It's still far to easy to obtain a shotgun cert and bullet gun licences seem to be handed out with ease.

Anyone with any history of mental illness' domestic violence or GBH' ABH' Affray ect ect should not be awarded a gun licence of any kind.

Police and GPs should work together before any decision on a licence application is granted.

Police should have access to all applicants GP records.

We've got some of the most draconian licensing laws and procedures in the world! None of the above would have done anything to help prevent what has happened here.

Is it that draconian in the uk? To get a shotgun cert? I found it really easy.....

Yes, they're draconian relative to most other Western countries. And it wasn't just shotgun licensing that was mentioned, 'bullet guns' were too. Like I said, how would any of those suggestions have helped here?

 

Any further restrictions on licensing seem reasonable to improve public safety when the current level of restrictions become the new normal. Just keep compromising until it's all gone.

 

If the attitude is "any level of restriction in justifiable to prevent legally held guns being used or misused resulting in harm" then that only leads to one place, a complete ban on legal firearms.

In this situation then of course nothing could of helped. I think the uk has a very low amount of serious incidents concerning licensed guns? Obviously we have had the odd mass shooting involving license holders, but on the whole I think we have quite good record in that respect. Which I think is a good thing.

 

Like I've said before, to hunt with a gun here, you need to sit down & do a detailed written exam on the fauna under the hunting license & knowledge of the countryside in general, that would rule out quite a few shot gun cert/fac holders I know! So it could be worse.....

Obviously next to the US our gun laws are always going to seem draconian....

I think a complete ban on firearms is a little over dramatic mate, it ain't going to happen ;-)

 

dont hold your breath on that one pal we thought hunting with dogs was safe forever how wrong we were !!/

[Born Hunter 17,904]

 

 

 

Yes, they're draconian relative to most other Western countries. And it wasn't just shotgun licensing that was mentioned, 'bullet guns' were too. Like I said, how would any of those suggestions have helped here?

 

Any further restrictions on licensing seem reasonable to improve public safety when the current level of restrictions become the new normal. Just keep compromising until it's all gone.

 

If the attitude is "any level of restriction in justifiable to prevent legally held guns being used or misused resulting in harm" then that only leads to one place, a complete ban on legal firearms.

In this situation then of course nothing could of helped. I think the uk has a very low amount of serious incidents concerning licensed guns? Obviously we have had the odd mass shooting involving license holders, but on the whole I think we have quite good record in that respect. Which I think is a good thing.

 

Like I've said before, to hunt with a gun here, you need to sit down & do a detailed written exam on the fauna under the hunting license & knowledge of the countryside in general, that would rule out quite a few shot gun cert/fac holders I know! So it could be worse.....

Obviously next to the US our gun laws are always going to seem draconian....

I think a complete ban on firearms is a little over dramatic mate, it ain't going to happen ;-)

 

 

I'm not comparing to the US fella. I was sat talking to a Frenchman back in April who works in the UK, turned out he was a keen shooting man. He couldn't believe how restrictive our firearms laws were compared to his homeland. And that wasn't because I had filled his head with my pro-2A gun liberal propaganda, lol, he is a member of Bisley and the NRA! That's just one example.

 

I'm not against all regulation. I'm just against A LOT of our current regulation and particularly the changing attitudes of the authorities towards gun ownership and use.

Edited June 16, 2017 by Born Hunter

[mattyg 1,862]

It was in Nuneaton......home of the country's only 6 fingered glove shop!....say no more!

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

 

 

It's still far to easy to obtain a shotgun cert and bullet gun licences seem to be handed out with ease.

Anyone with any history of mental illness' domestic violence or GBH' ABH' Affray ect ect should not be awarded a gun licence of any kind.

Police and GPs should work together before any decision on a licence application is granted.

Police should have access to all applicants GP records.

 

We've got some of the most draconian licensing laws and procedures in the world! None of the above would have done anything to help prevent what has happened here.

Is it that draconian in the uk? To get a shotgun cert? I found it really easy.....

Yes, they're draconian relative to most other Western countries. And it wasn't just shotgun licensing that was mentioned, 'bullet guns' were too. Like I said, how would any of those suggestions have helped here?

 

Any further restrictions on licensing seem reasonable to improve public safety when the current level of restrictions become the new normal. Just keep compromising until it's all gone.

 

If the attitude is "any level of restriction in justifiable to prevent legally held guns being used or misused resulting in harm" then that only leads to one place, a complete ban on legal firearms.

In this situation then of course nothing could of helped. I think the uk has a very low amount of serious incidents concerning licensed guns? Obviously we have had the odd mass shooting involving license holders, but on the whole I think we have quite good record in that respect. Which I think is a good thing.

Like I've said before, to hunt with a gun here, you need to sit down & do a detailed written exam on the fauna under the hunting license & knowledge of the countryside in general, that would rule out quite a few shot gun cert/fac holders I know! So it could be worse.....

Obviously next to the US our gun laws are always going to seem draconian....

I think a complete ban on firearms is a little over dramatic mate, it ain't going to happen ;-)

dont hold your breath on that one pal we thought hunting with dogs was safe forever how wrong we were !!/

Fair enough, good point, but there's far too many sporting gun owners in high influential places......of course that doesn't take into account a labour goverment in labours current form, that could be worrying I suppose.

But on the whole it's been working class Dogmen that been affected, establishment figures can still freely ride to hounds...

Edited June 16, 2017 by Accip74

[Born Hunter 17,904]

IMO it's not a case of when and certainly not if, it's changing right now! Just because new legislation isn't being brought it doesn't mean we're not being further restricted. The Chief Constables and other bureaucrats have the freedom to do so without the need for an Act of Parliament.

[riohog 5,900]

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's still far to easy to obtain a shotgun cert and bullet gun licences seem to be handed out with ease.

Anyone with any history of mental illness' domestic violence or GBH' ABH' Affray ect ect should not be awarded a gun licence of any kind.

Police and GPs should work together before any decision on a licence application is granted.

Police should have access to all applicants GP records.

We've got some of the most draconian licensing laws and procedures in the world! None of the above would have done anything to help prevent what has happened here.

Is it that draconian in the uk? To get a shotgun cert? I found it really easy.....

Yes, they're draconian relative to most other Western countries. And it wasn't just shotgun licensing that was mentioned, 'bullet guns' were too. Like I said, how would any of those suggestions have helped here?

 

Any further restrictions on licensing seem reasonable to improve public safety when the current level of restrictions become the new normal. Just keep compromising until it's all gone.

 

If the attitude is "any level of restriction in justifiable to prevent legally held guns being used or misused resulting in harm" then that only leads to one place, a complete ban on legal firearms.

In this situation then of course nothing could of helped. I think the uk has a very low amount of serious incidents concerning licensed guns? Obviously we have had the odd mass shooting involving license holders, but on the whole I think we have quite good record in that respect. Which I think is a good thing.

Like I've said before, to hunt with a gun here, you need to sit down & do a detailed written exam on the fauna under the hunting license & knowledge of the countryside in general, that would rule out quite a few shot gun cert/fac holders I know! So it could be worse.....

Obviously next to the US our gun laws are always going to seem draconian....

I think a complete ban on firearms is a little over dramatic mate, it ain't going to happen ;-)

dont hold your breath on that one pal we thought hunting with dogs was safe forever how wrong we were !!/

Fair enough, good point, but there's far too many sporting gun owners in high influential places......of course that doesn't take into account a labour goverment in labours current form, that could be worrying I suppose.

 

i held sec 1 and 5 for 3 decades but some looney shot some children in dunb lane and i had to hand my pistol in as did thousands of other folk what the fk was all that ab out it serv ed no purpose atal yet if i want a pisol now i can have one humain dispatch uter bollox when i was a kid 15 yrs old i walked into the post office paid 10 shillings and they gave me a s/g licenc how times have changed eh!!

[Born Hunter 17,904]

 

 

Fair enough, good point, but there's far too many sporting gun owners in high influential places......of course that doesn't take into account a labour goverment in labours current form, that could be worrying I suppose.

But on the whole it's been working class Dogmen that been affected, establishment figures can still freely ride to hounds...

 

 

Has it really affected 'working class dogmen'? Let's be perfectly honest, most would still have been prosecuted before 05, just under poaching laws! Is that really an unfair statement to make. I'm certainly not judging anyone just stating it as I see it.

 

The real victims have been the organised coursing clubs and comps.

 

But let's not keep up this belief that the packs have got off scot free. In recent years hunt violence has increased from clashes between monitors and hunt supporters. I've got mates who although off bail are still officially under investigation and a lot of hunt terrier lads in the South feel that it's only a matter of time until they're history.

 

And if my information is correct, these instances of violence has lead to certain police forces training up dozens of officers as hunt and wildlife crime police. And that's from a fairly good source.

Edited June 16, 2017 by Born Hunter

[riohog 5,900]

 

 

 

Fair enough, good point, but there's far too many sporting gun owners in high influential places......of course that doesn't take into account a labour goverment in labours current form, that could be worrying I suppose.

But on the whole it's been working class Dogmen that been affected, establishment figures can still freely ride to hounds...

 

 

Has it really affected 'working class dogmen'? Let's be perfectly honest, most would still have been prosecuted before 05, just under poaching laws! Is that really an unfair statement to make. I'm certainly not judging anyone just stating it as I see it.

 

The real victims have been the organised coursing clubs and comps.

 

But let's not keep up this belief that the packs have got off scot free. In recent years hunt violence has increased from clashes between monitors and hunt supporters. I've got mates who although off bail are still officially under investigation and a lot of hunt terrier lads in the South feel that it's only a matter of time until they're history.

 

its like saying you may have conditions on your ticket does ever person adhear to them hmmmmm//

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

Fair enough, good point, but there's far too many sporting gun owners in high influential places......of course that doesn't take into account a labour goverment in labours current form, that could be worrying I suppose.

But on the whole it's been working class Dogmen that been affected, establishment figures can still freely ride to hounds...

Has it really affected 'working class dogmen'? Let's be perfectly honest, most would still have been prosecuted before 05, just under poaching laws! Is that really an unfair statement to make. I'm certainly not judging anyone just stating it as I see it.

 

The real victims have been the organised coursing clubs and comps.

 

But let's not keep up this belief that the packs have got off scot free. In recent years hunt violence has increased from clashes between monitors and hunt supporters. I've got mates who although off bail are still officially under investigation and a lot of hunt terrier lads in the South feel that it's only a matter of time until they're history.

 

And if my information is correct, these instances of violence has lead to certain police forces training up dozens of officers as hunt and wildlife crime police. And that's from a fairly good source.

Unfortunately for coursing clubs there was absolutely nowhere to hide, no loop holes for them. They were obviously the biggest losers of the hunting act & let's not forget there were plenty of working class lads with permission to course hares independently.

I don't think the hunts have got off lightly at all, but after 10 years they are still riding & of course the biggest demonising has come down on the terrier lads, who are, in the main working class lads.

What I'm saying is if your passion is riding it can still be done, even with only a vague connection to the actual hunt.

[shovel leaner 7,650]

 

 

 

 

 

It's still far to easy to obtain a shotgun cert and bullet gun licences seem to be handed out with ease.

Anyone with any history of mental illness' domestic violence or GBH' ABH' Affray ect ect should not be awarded a gun licence of any kind.

Police and GPs should work together before any decision on a licence application is granted.

Police should have access to all applicants GP records.

 

We've got some of the most draconian licensing laws and procedures in the world! None of the above would have done anything to help prevent what has happened here.

Is it that draconian in the uk? To get a shotgun cert? I found it really easy.....

Yes, they're draconian relative to most other Western countries. And it wasn't just shotgun licensing that was mentioned, 'bullet guns' were too. Like I said, how would any of those suggestions have helped here?

 

Any further restrictions on licensing seem reasonable to improve public safety when the current level of restrictions become the new normal. Just keep compromising until it's all gone.

 

If the attitude is "any level of restriction in justifiable to prevent legally held guns being used or misused resulting in harm" then that only leads to one place, a complete ban on legal firearms.

In this situation then of course nothing could of helped. I think the uk has a very low amount of serious incidents concerning licensed guns? Obviously we have had the odd mass shooting involving license holders, but on the whole I think we have quite good record in that respect. Which I think is a good thing.

Like I've said before, to hunt with a gun here, you need to sit down & do a detailed written exam on the fauna under the hunting license & knowledge of the countryside in general, that would rule out quite a few shot gun cert/fac holders I know! So it could be worse.....

Obviously next to the US our gun laws are always going to seem draconian....

I think a complete ban on firearms is a little over dramatic mate, it ain't going to happen ;-)

dont hold your breath on that one pal we thought hunting with dogs was safe forever how wrong we were !!/

I still hunt with dogs , within the law of course, nudge , nudge , wink , wink !

[riohog 5,900]

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's still far to easy to obtain a shotgun cert and bullet gun licences seem to be handed out with ease.

Anyone with any history of mental illness' domestic violence or GBH' ABH' Affray ect ect should not be awarded a gun licence of any kind.

Police and GPs should work together before any decision on a licence application is granted.

Police should have access to all applicants GP records.

We've got some of the most draconian licensing laws and procedures in the world! None of the above would have done anything to help prevent what has happened here.

Is it that draconian in the uk? To get a shotgun cert? I found it really easy.....

Yes, they're draconian relative to most other Western countries. And it wasn't just shotgun licensing that was mentioned, 'bullet guns' were too. Like I said, how would any of those suggestions have helped here?

 

Any further restrictions on licensing seem reasonable to improve public safety when the current level of restrictions become the new normal. Just keep compromising until it's all gone.

 

If the attitude is "any level of restriction in justifiable to prevent legally held guns being used or misused resulting in harm" then that only leads to one place, a complete ban on legal firearms.

In this situation then of course nothing could of helped. I think the uk has a very low amount of serious incidents concerning licensed guns? Obviously we have had the odd mass shooting involving license holders, but on the whole I think we have quite good record in that respect. Which I think is a good thing.

Like I've said before, to hunt with a gun here, you need to sit down & do a detailed written exam on the fauna under the hunting license & knowledge of the countryside in general, that would rule out quite a few shot gun cert/fac holders I know! So it could be worse.....

Obviously next to the US our gun laws are always going to seem draconian....

I think a complete ban on firearms is a little over dramatic mate, it ain't going to happen ;-)

dont hold your breath on that one pal we thought hunting with dogs was safe forever how wrong we were !!/

I still hunt with dogs , within the law of course, nudge , nudge , wink , wink !

 

no wonder theres no fkn rabbits about

[WILF 49,172]

Of course it a mental health issue.......I mean, nobody who is right in the canister gos out and plugs 20 or 30 strangers do they!

[mushroom 13,772]

I hope not lanesra. I still remember the last one.Even as young man and the only news story i actually cried watching. Still cant believe how someone could gun down a classroom of 5year olds.

My ex (the Mexican girl) went to that school while her dad was seconded to a position nearby. If memory serves correctly (probably not) her old teacher was the one killed. Fuucking tragic, poor bairns to have to live those last moments in that way. ?