Your Favorite Working Terrier Past Or Present..

[neil cooney 10,415]

 

 

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

 

Yes, the old saying is "Don't go to the Champion, go to the father of the Champion."

 

i dont know Neil-look at coursing dogs-adios alonso responsible for nearly 1/4 of the field in clonmel next weekend-wouldnt take a free cover off his father(janey macaroo)

 

Just out of interest TinyTiger, do you know anything about Adios Alonso's mothers reputation as a brood and was she well bred ?

 

What do you fancy yourself for the Nationals ?

I looked at a few results recently and seen a cup won by another Adios Alonso.

[tinytiger 822]

 

 

 

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

 

Yes, the old saying is "Don't go to the Champion, go to the father of the Champion."

 

i dont know Neil-look at coursing dogs-adios alonso responsible for nearly 1/4 of the field in clonmel next weekend-wouldnt take a free cover off his father(janey macaroo)

 

Just out of interest TinyTiger, do you know anything about Adios Alonso's mothers reputation as a brood and was she well bred ?

 

What do you fancy yourself for the Nationals ?

I looked at a few results recently and seen a cup won by another Adios Alonso.

 

she was a half sister to a derby winner(who went on to be a top stud dog) and an irish cup winner(who did well enough at stud from limited opportunities)-if you trace back ,the damline produced the track english derby winner im slippy...id fancy jamacia judy for the oaks..wi can riki or reikers island for the derby...blades of fire(a brother of reikers island)is the fastest in it but i dont think hell last the 3 days

[neil cooney 10,415]

OK, so a real strong Dam line so, which gives strength to your's and Kaisers thinking on the bitch being a big or bigger influence on the dog in question.

Personally I think it's 50 / 50 and the parents must be out of good parents.

 

Best of luck in your selections.

[lonespade 51]

 

 

 

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

 

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

Yes, the old saying is "Don't go to the Champion, go to the father of the Champion."

Just to be devils advocate Neil. The father is a good all round dog, the son is Top Class. What if its the mother of the champion whos throwing the goods? By using the father you've bred off a good all round dog instead of using the top class son who contains the champion genes from his mother....

You're both right really.

 

I don't think Bo produced a lot outside of the Jeep litter but Honeybunch certainly did

Be cause Bo was,a known cur that quit in front of 300 people and should never had been bred.. call me crazy, but, if I had of owned Finleys Ch. Bo,there would never had been a jeep, Charlie, missy, etc.. Bo would have been pushing daisies after he quit to Vindicator Edited January 27, 2017 by lonespade

[lonespade 51]

OK, so a real strong Dam line so, which gives strength to your's and Kaisers thinking on the bitch being a big or bigger influence on the dog in question.

Personally I think it's 50 / 50 and the parents must be out of good parents.

 

Best of luck in your selections.

I agree and feel they are both equally important..

[Glyn..... 5,202]

he's one for you , i knew of a bitch did very little half heart-ed certainly not tested , bred back to her sire certainly tested and produced a above average % 4 out 5 top class workers, of those 2 were bitches both crackers both line bred the % of rubbish never increased , one was out-crossed as well again still held a high % of workers , so does blood shine or just pure luck ?

Edited January 27, 2017 by Glyn.....

[tinytiger 822]

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

 

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

Yes, the old saying is "Don't go to the Champion, go to the father of the Champion."

Just to be devils advocate Neil. The father is a good all round dog, the son is Top Class. What if its the mother of the champion whos throwing the goods? By using the father you've bred off a good all round dog instead of using the top class son who contains the champion genes from his mother....

You're both right really.

 

I don't think Bo produced a lot outside of the Jeep litter but Honeybunch certainly did

Be cause Bo was,a known cur that quit in front of 300 people and should never had been bred.. call me crazy, but, if I had of owned Finleys Ch. Bo,there would never had been a jeep, Charlie, missy, etc.. Bo would have been pushing daisies after he quit to Vindicator

maybe he just met a better dog?what drugs were each on/if any?lots of factors we mightnt know about-did i hear a rumour jeep was by cottons bullet or was that Bo?its funny the way bulldog men connect what they own to some dog from 40 odd years ago-must go out and walk my newdown heather line greyhound lol.

[Dead Eyes 680]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

 

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

Yes, the old saying is "Don't go to the Champion, go to the father of the Champion."

Just to be devils advocate Neil. The father is a good all round dog, the son is Top Class. What if its the mother of the champion whos throwing the goods? By using the father you've bred off a good all round dog instead of using the top class son who contains the champion genes from his mother....

You're both right really.

 

I don't think Bo produced a lot outside of the Jeep litter but Honeybunch certainly did

Be cause Bo was,a known cur that quit in front of 300 people and should never had been bred.. call me crazy, but, if I had of owned Finleys Ch. Bo,there would never had been a jeep, Charlie, missy, etc.. Bo would have been pushing daisies after he quit to Vindicator

maybe he just met a better dog?what drugs were each on/if any?lots of factors we mightnt know about-did i hear a rumour jeep was by cottons bullet or was that Bo?its funny the way bulldog men connect what they own to some dog from 40 odd years ago-must go out and walk my newdown heather line greyhound lol.

You see, more recently both lotto and the other ch we're damn good bulldogs, and Homer Balboa was a dog of the year... but titere finished them all.

 

Vindicator is widely considered one of the best ever.

 

Duran uttered 'no mad'

 

There's levels to everything. Sometimes you just meet a great. Not many dogs at all are truly truly dead game

[tank34 2,193]

My mate bitch lost in rock at 9 year old a very good bolting bitch always found in the rock I will get a pic of her when see my mate she was a small bitch an could get anywhere a ruff coat on her she was nutthall x Russell RIP miget

[neil cooney 10,415]

he's one for you , i knew of a bitch did very little half heart-ed certainly not tested , bred back to her sire certainly tested and produced a above average % 4 out 5 top class workers, of those 2 were bitches both crackers both line bred the % of rubbish never increased , one was out-crossed as well again still held a high % of workers , so does blood shine or just pure luck ?

Which would you rather trust Glyn..................................luck or good breeding.

No need to answer , I already know what you're going to say.

[foxdropper 17,098]

Good breeding with a dash of luck .

[caerau82 9]

 

If I could have any dog back from the past it would be a dog I bred myself called Barney that I gifted to a good mate at the time-I bred a litter for myself from him to my tiny bitch.the last time I asked my pal if I could use him again ,he turned around and told me he sold him to some boys because he was on his arse-found the lads and told them the craic-even offered them a grand for my own dog back lol-they told me I could use him but when i rang the number they mugged me off and wouldn't answer the phone.you live and you learn.dog went and was dug 3 times the same day at just over a 12m old.on more than one occasion people offerd silly money for him before he'd even done a full season.they were politely told to f**k off-he's probably long gone now used and abused.like his sire he was some dog.f****d up my plans for the future but hopefully now I've another path to go down-so all is not lost.atb dc Blackhearts Dogs 265.jpgred dog barney. Blackhearts Dogs 183_001.jpgbig bud his sire.

that's a shit situation! Funny thing, people and money.

[neil cooney 10,415]

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it's a dog you could turn back time and use again it'd have to be Smithy!

Would it not make more sense to get his sire and dam ?

breed to the dog that produced the bad ass.. story I was told too Cooney..

 

Yes, the old saying is "Don't go to the Champion, go to the father of the Champion."

 

i dont know Neil-look at coursing dogs-adios alonso responsible for nearly 1/4 of the field in clonmel next weekend-wouldnt take a free cover off his father(janey macaroo)

 

Just out of interest TinyTiger, do you know anything about Adios Alonso's mothers reputation as a brood and was she well bred ?

 

What do you fancy yourself for the Nationals ?

I looked at a few results recently and seen a cup won by another Adios Alonso.

 

she was a half sister to a derby winner(who went on to be a top stud dog) and an irish cup winner(who did well enough at stud from limited opportunities)-if you trace back ,the damline produced the track english derby winner im slippy...id fancy jamacia judy for the oaks..wi can riki or reikers island for the derby...blades of fire(a brother of reikers island)is the fastest in it but i dont think hell last the 3 days

 

Well done TT, all your selections are through the first day, including Blades Of Fire. He might stay after all.

Edited January 29, 2017 by neil cooney

[tinytiger 822]

So far so good long way to go yet-watched video-reikers looked particularly impressive-bitches seem to be clocking faster than dogs

[downsview 439]

If a terrier or lurcher doesn't make the grade it's not just the breeding that counts,plenty of twats about who seem to take pleasure in failing a young dog and shooting them ego problems

Edited January 29, 2017 by downsview