And It Starts

[jiggy 3,209]

Nope, still not got it..

enlighten me don't talk in riddles pm if you want unless it's a secret.

[Tallywacker 262]

Lol, bitch you lined a fox killer?

[jiggy 3,209]

I can understand that but if you want to increase the chances of a large percentage of that litter and future breeding doing the same as the sire the dam been a fox killer certainly will improve things. Any experienced lurcher man I asked advises to go old many generation lurcher to lurcher breeding because both sides dams and sires all the way back were doing the job and not just one side. The wrong greyhound at any stage 1st 2nd or 3rd cross could destroy future breeding. Anyway I admire anyone who gives it a go there is some good Bull crosses out there and a lot of bad ones but if it's a success then it's their own and nobody else's.

[billhardy 2,343]

This his the the hindsight his that the breeding taken place alls needed now bitch confirmed in pup I believe more advice should have been taken to forsake time and disappointments . I have seen several offspring bred this way and none were any good culled mostly those that hung on ta there's did not need much from the animal ,but in fairness ta most men were also culls ,breeding his there for that and generation bred dogs tested over time both sides fa the very reason of retaining the qualities necesary ,greyhounds ta lots a people who have knowledge through first hand experience of them ,are fecking useless and only Eva need the introduction in the first generation first xs animal sourcing a faster type terrier type doing a job would have been my goal ,or better still bred on to close bred bitch of the sire such his livestock and hope the coin drops the right side for yas but remember this phenotype ain't nothing with out genotype atb bunnys

[jiggy 3,209]

This his the the hindsight his that the breeding taken place alls needed now bitch confirmed in pup I believe more advice should have been taken to forsake time and disappointments . I have seen several offspring bred this way and none were any good culled mostly those that hung on ta there's did not need much from the animal ,but in fairness ta most men were also culls ,breeding his there for that and generation bred dogs tested over time both sides fa the very reason of retaining the qualities necesary ,greyhounds ta lots a people who have knowledge through first hand experience of them ,are fecking useless and only Eva need the introduction in the first generation first xs animal sourcing a faster type terrier type doing a job would have been my goal ,or better still bred on to close bred bitch of the sire such his livestock and hope the coin drops the right side for yas but remember this phenotype ain't nothing with out genotype atb bunnys

good post if you did start from scratch and go the greyhound route and had the right greyhound dam and the 1st cross litter was a success would you recommend lining the best dog pup back to the dam to try and repeat this success while increasing the speed with the 2nd cross and hopefully retaining the courage.

[billhardy 2,343]

There's lots a routes one may go one could cover 2 greys simplistic breeding ,best male from one side best bitch the other keep them tight ,goi g back ta ad grey this his wher it can be detrimental the bitch can have a massive bearing how they come finding top producing males need ta be bred then tested to see what they give you with above average bitches great studs can produce with mediocre stuff no need ta rthe grey the animals that are doing the biz should have a decent element of speed and generation breeding they get finer and racier in itself they become quicker and faster ,but retain the qualities so desiered ,if they start to become to fine top really heavy first gen animal will bring back the strength power and vigour and of course the constitution ,needed when killing good numbers a few nights a week holding weight when being worked hard in the dead of winter his a quality I desire in any animal bred for performance .fa those that fade and wither aways best place fa them his a hole. Hope this helps ,we have some great lines of terrier types now in the uk that's what I can't get my head round reinventing the wheel when there's 25 yrs of best ta best ta be utilised his the way ta go I have used top studs of the terrier type and it paid dividends ten fold and was really happy with the outcome grafters .atb bunnys.

[Shaddy93 840]

1. Nobody is being forced to have one of these pups so no need to get on your high horse

2. If it was such a bad decision to make I wouldn't have 12 names down for a pup if it was such a bad idea.

3. I have seen this mating done before I only know of two pups out of that litter both horrible looking bat eared bitches of very racey build but there was nothing they wouldn't tackle,

I understand everybody has there own opinions and is entitled to voice them however just because youv seen a couple run doesn't mean every pup bred this way turns out shit, good and bad in most litters, and anyone that says the greyhound needs to be proven on fox etc. Have a word with yourself

[chrisbullx 2,541]

Shaddy but would you use your dog over a bullx bitch that was a jacker on fox?? the answer is or should be no so why use him over a greyhound that was a jacker on fox preban them traits will come out in pups no matter how good the sire always breed best to best the old saying but good luck with pups atb cbx

[Shaddy93 840]

Shaddy but would you use your dog over a bullx bitch that was a jacker on fox?? the answer is or should be no so why use him over a greyhound that was a jacker on fox preban them traits will come out in pups no matter how good the sire always breed best to best the old saying but good luck with pups atb cbx

I know what your saying at it took some deciding and I'm not for a second sayin the bitch is a fox killer but im also not saying she wouldn't kill a fox, most greyhounds will kill a fox and let's be honest it doesn't exactly take much doing iv seen average dogs kill fox, whether you breed worker to worker or non worker to worker there's always a risk that the pups will jack, iv seen a very well bred mating chuck a full litter of jackers out and iv seen two beddy whippets bred for nothing but rabbit chuck out real hard dogs, I'm 'hoping' for fast dogs with the hardness and the desire to kill of the dad, IF it goes to plan the pups could be devastating to the countryside if it doesn't work then I'll cry for a couple of days pick my bottom lip up and go back to the black board...

[Silversnake 1,099]

Good luck shaddy, I hope it turns out for you. I personally would love to give one of these pups a go. Atvb.

[Shaddy93 840]

Thanks mate, two lads on here are having one so im sure they'll be updates on how there doing, that's if she's pregnant (fingers crossed)

[ginger beard 4,653]

to the people saying he should of used a working grey,nobody has one.so you can't.i'd rather take a chance on one of these then the other bull x litters on here where both parents have a face like a show peach.personally i wouldn't entertain a 1/2 x,so these will do me fine.all i want from the sire is his attitude the rest i want grey.these will be basically 3/4 grey and a 1/4 bull which are more versatile and popular than any 1/2 x's.

[dai dogs 1,966]

When using Greyhound Dams or Studs to produce lurchers it makes no difference if they are from working stock or track The only difference is ( Size) If anyone tells you any different they are full of it .

[ginger beard 4,653]

you've got me bang to rights katchum.not anti bull x as such just never saw the point in the big,heavy 1/2 x's.i've not gone down the deerhound route this time because i don't think i'll get another like my last one.i still think she would be better than any bull x.before i went for this litter i wanted a a pup from another litter(with no bull in 'em) but never heard anything back so thought have a go at these.between my deerhound getting killed and deciding on this litter,every x of lurcher crossed my mind.except a collie x .

[billhardy 2,343]

to the people saying he should of used a working grey,nobody has one.so you can't.i'd rather take a chance on one of these then the other bull x litters on here where both parents have a face like a show peach.personally i wouldn't entertain a 1/2 x,so these will do me fine.all i want from the sire is his attitude the rest i want grey.these will be basically 3/4 grey and a 1/4 bull which are more versatile and popular than any 1/2 x's.

all depend on the half xs generation halls can be has fast has any three quarter and definately retain the bull attributes killing and taking stuff with teeth few times a week week in week out needs very little grey ,and more tenacious mental attitude of the right be breeding ,seen lots a bull des some excellent bar none an lots that were very mediocre bordering on culls but of course that would be all about handlers standards single handed animals taking heavy quarry in winter for five single believe no three quarter lasts many if more than one good season before they begin ta start looking ta handle turning will then become set in and the inevitable jacking begins .no time off no easy confidence building will sort this out it his what it his the jacker .reall top animals are firstly bred over generation then reared schooled correctly the traits and style of killing his bred through lines greys are bred fa running some a wee bit further than others shame one can not find a terrier type animal bred for generations fa that stud I believe if a stud worthy of breeding then the right bitches will find there way ta him.atb bunnys.