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God promised man that good and obedient women will be found in all corners of the world.   He then made the world round.... And laughed and laughed and laughed .

This is the problem and the reason I don't like the word God the second you say God then people presume you mean the biblical version of some bloke sat on a cloud you can understand why people don't b

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If the infinite multiverse is true then is there a universe where no other universes exist? Is there a universe where a creator exists? So many paradoxes ...I liked the multiverse theory at first but the more I've thought about it the more I think it reeks of scientific desperation and just grasping at straws to try and answer the fine tuning problem ...it's not complicated at all its the most basic attempt at a answer with zero science behind it.... in infinite universes anything is possible there you go a answer to everything. :thumbs:

 

There's a few things to respond to there. For starters let me say that I didn't suggest there was infinite universes, just a creation process that produces/produced enough to make the creation of a life harboring one probable. I find the concept of infinity pretty unhelpful myself and tend to avoid it.

 

So, if there's multiple universes then no there can't be one where no others exist, by definition. Also i can't really see how there could be one where a God like creator exists either. Whatever mechanism creates these hypothetical universes, it's common to them all and beyond them not created with them. Besides God is supposed to transcend nature and science so I'm not sure how that's compatible. Now I'm not saying that God isn't this creator just that he isn't created with the universe. But then him creating all these universes just to make one that works seems a bit redundant when he could just use a bit of his omniscience and omnipotence and make a single one correctly! lol

 

It's worth mentioning again that I use the term multiverse very loosely. It doesn't have to mean there are a number of universes in existences simultaneously. Another solution using the same statistical line of thought would be a single universe (ours) that goes through a continuous process of creation and destruction (big bang big crunch?), each iteration being different with the vast majority lifeless.

 

It's not desperation, it's basic everyday logical thinking as part of the scientific process of fitting a theory to the observed evidence. The theory that the creation of this universe was random and a single act of creation does not fit in with the calculated/observed improbability of actually getting it right for life. So back to the drawing board and come up with a new theory, God is one, an intelligent natural creator (like a computer program) is another and multiverse theories are another yet. None of them can be considered very scientific yet because of the present impossibility of testing them, this is all speculative thinking and I try to make that very clear to people.

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As you say these theories are totally impossible to test meaning that the multiverse theory is as much science as God or optimus prime farting a universe out... Dawkins for instance says we should believe nothing unless it can be proven and yet backs the multiverse theory I think this kind of thinking undermines the very principles of science and not the right approach as it's dead end thinking that can never be tested as you say.

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As you say these theories are totally impossible to test meaning that the multiverse theory is as much science as God or optimus prime farting a universe out... Dawkins for instance says we should believe nothing unless it can be proven and yet backs the multiverse theory I think this kind of thinking undermines the very principles of science and not the right approach as it's dead end thinking that can never be tested as you say.

 

 

Indeed. I don't really listen to many folks opinions on it all, rather just ponder on it myself. However I do think that the average Joe Public when listening to these credible public figures in science struggle to see the line between answers that are hard evidence backed tested science and those that are simply that scientists own speculative belief. It's very misleading for typical non-academic people who have a deep interest and curiosity in the world and the big philosophical questions but perhaps aren't very familiar with the workings, limits and capabilities of science as a whole. But then of course there are scientists that don't make it very clear either!

 

Finally, I'd like to add, although these things seem impossible to test, perhaps one day that won't be the case...... So for now these questions are purely philosophical/speculative but perhaps in the future they will become scientific.

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I do think, however bright a person is, that they will be susceptible to propaganda to some extent........I beleive there has been a deliberate assault on religion (especially Christian faith) over the last 20 or 30 years........I have my own theory on the reasons for this.

That don't really have anything to do with does god exist or not but I so think we have bred a whole generation who see it as stupid to have faith and I think that has been a very deliberate, calculated act.

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I do think, however bright a person is, that they will be susceptible to propaganda to some extent........I beleive there has been a deliberate assault on religion (especially Christian faith) over the last 20 or 30 years........I have my own theory on the reasons for this.

That don't really have anything to do with does god exist or not but I so think we have bred a whole generation who see it as stupid to have faith and I think that has been a very deliberate, calculated act.

I honestly think you are over thinking it mate. I think it's a natural reaction to the modern world. Science, conflict, popular culture & so on...... That's not to say it's right, there's certainly a lot wrong with the modern world, but would a population with a greater Christian 'faith' of been better? I honestly don't know.

I can't remember my old man ever mentioning faith or belief, it just passed him by & he's 76! It's certainly not exclusive to a younger generation.

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To be honest it would be a lot easier on us if everyone believed we were created naturally, imagine the fuss over which god created us if there was actually some real evidence of any god creating us ?

Would it be the biggest religion claiming victory or the oldest, maybe they will have to do a playoff style system to decide who wins, just the draw would be an event with 120 odd gods claimed to of created life and maybe a few others sitting in the wings waiting to declare.

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The question is does anyone actually believe we will ever find the origins of the universe and life itself? I don't think we will ever discover the answer tbh....

Well find out when we die mate lol

Or not hahahaha.

 

The thing that always puzzles me about that is if when we die we move onto a better place then why do we fear death so much?

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The question is does anyone actually believe we will ever find the origins of the universe and life itself? I don't think we will ever discover the answer tbh....

Well find out when we die mate lol
Or not hahahaha.

 

The thing that always puzzles me about that is if when we die we move onto a better place then why do we fear death so much?

I dont fear death mate, jesus conquered it when he died an rose again, i only fear God, an the rest falls into place.

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I do think, however bright a person is, that they will be susceptible to propaganda to some extent........I beleive there has been a deliberate assault on religion (especially Christian faith) over the last 20 or 30 years........I have my own theory on the reasons for this.

That don't really have anything to do with does god exist or not but I so think we have bred a whole generation who see it as stupid to have faith and I think that has been a very deliberate, calculated act.

I honestly think you are over thinking it mate. I think it's a natural reaction to the modern world. Science, conflict, popular culture & so on...... That's not to say it's right, there's certainly a lot wrong with the modern world, but would a population with a greater Christian 'faith' of been better? I honestly don't know.

I can't remember my old man ever mentioning faith or belief, it just passed him by & he's 76! It's certainly not exclusive to a younger generation.

You could be right mate, I tend to see a sinister meaning in almost everything except my personal dealings with other people now days.

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The question is does anyone actually believe we will ever find the origins of the universe and life itself? I don't think we will ever discover the answer tbh....

Well find out when we die mate lol
Or not hahahaha.

 

The thing that always puzzles me about that is if when we die we move onto a better place then why do we fear death so much?

I dont fear death mate, jesus conquered it when he died an rose again, i only fear God, an the rest falls into place.

So why don't you end it now if we move onto a better place?

 

Why is murder a sin if death is a blessing?

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The question is does anyone actually believe we will ever find the origins of the universe and life itself? I don't think we will ever discover the answer tbh....

Well find out when we die mate lol
Or not hahahaha.

 

The thing that always puzzles me about that is if when we die we move onto a better place then why do we fear death so much?

I dont fear death mate, jesus conquered it when he died an rose again, i only fear God, an the rest falls into place.
So why don't you end it now if we move onto a better place?

 

Why is murder a sin if death is a blessing?

I quite actually like life mate lol dont want to givd up the ghost yet, but its outa my hands.

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