Border X Lakeys

[jossa 971]

I keep working borders myself and they are a good earth dog. Don't get me wrong they are the old stuff levi oaks Ray walker stuff. But I'm not denying that if you get a run of the mill border from show stuff it probably won't graft or be a very poor worker. It's all about the breeding with borders.

[leethedog 3,071]

Don't take this the wrong way dead eye's there are terriers bred from working lines that don't enter what makes you think a dog from a different type of working line will even go to ground even assuming it stays small enough to go

[rob284 1,682]

Just because a dog has a hold, doesn't mean it's in control.

[Dead Eyes 681]

Of course I understand those things. And none of it may happen, which will leave the question completely pointless.

 

but

 

Assuming (and it's a big assumption) it does fit, it does enter and it can find...

 

Would it being 'too hard' be a good or a bad thing?

Edited October 7, 2016 by Dead Eyes

[DogFox123 1,379]

Of course I understand those things. And none of it may happen, which will leave the question completely pointless.

 

but

 

Assuming (and it's a big assumption) it does fit, it does enter and it can find...

 

Would it being 'too hard' be a good or a bad thing?

That's all down to your preference, I admire a hard dog but you sure ain't getting alot of digs with one...

[eastcoast 4,534]

 

 

 

Ive had a couple of border/lakelands in the past, one from a terrierman in south wales called Dai Ball he had a few of them [maybe some welsh lads know more on them] he worked well to a point, had another that was too hard 3 digs then retired. Very few are seriously worked nowadays, though i could be wrong!!!

Can you please explain this 'too hard'?

There was an argument, sorry, discussion on here a while ago about can a working terrier really be regarded as game ? A working terrier actively, repeatedly and willingly places itself in a situation that it knows from past experience is not conductive to its own safety. To me that is a sign of gameness in dogs or men. Can that be compared to the dead gameness of bulldogs being used in activities that are illegal in the UK ? I would say no. Totally different things. The job of a working terrier in the British Isles is to assist in the control of fox if that animal has become a pest. The terrier will find the fox below ground, bolt it or hold it in a stop end until dug to and shot. The terrier that doesn't learn to control its gameness and repeatedly, and inefficiently engages the fox head with force is going to suffer. Will always be taking too much punishment. Dead game or stupid ? "Too hard". Not to be confused with a dog that has the knack of quickly and efficiently killing a fox even though some hunt staff would regard such a dog as "too hard ", but not under present laws of fox hunting obviously.

 

This may seem a bit condescending Dead Eyes but I think the question was a little bit mischievous ? With working terriers it's not always a case of the harder the better. There's more to them that. I wish you the very best with your young terriers. They seem to doing be well in the pics on your threads.

Thanks for the detailed response, Eastcoast

 

And no, it wasn't meant as mischievous - but was to provoke discussion (partly because I had this very conversation with an experienced terrier man today)

 

Also - particularly if you'd followed my threads you'd understand - I'm worried that one of my pups may turn out 'too hard'...

 

If there is a dog that's 'too hard' wouldn't it rush in, take hold, and remain in that hold until dug to?

 

I could definitely imagine a dog being 'stupid game' and keep releasing and then deciding to go back for more and getting beat up in the process

 

But yes; my train of thought comes from an altogether different form of hunting

 

I have followed some of your threads but obviously not up to date on them. In my defence there have been quite a few of them. I'm sitting tapping away on my laptop giving my opinion on things but that is all it is. My opinion. Is it worth anything ? No. Only to me. The season is changing. There has been ground frost where I live for the last week . I should be looking forward to finding game underground again and letting my terriers do the talking. I only have one terrier now though. And no good permission to talk of. I have no idea how much he will get to see below ground this season. Probably not much. I'm a spent force bonny lad. You on the other hand have youth and enthusiasm and young dogs on your side. Will one of them become " too hard " ? Get him out there and find out.

[Dead Eyes 681]

Not this season, they're all far too young!

 

I pulled all three threads in the end, but I'm still hoping to prove a few wrong - but only time will tell

 

Best of luck to you this season anyway ??

[Apache... 2,588]

Dead eyes I am a bit late with my response to your question but it has been answered for me.

[Mary 352]

Not this season, they're all far too young!

 

I pulled all three threads in the end, but I'm still hoping to prove a few wrong - but only time will tell

 

Best of luck to you this season anyway ??

Why do you care what people think? shouldnt have to prove anything to anybody, especially to strangers on the Internet.

[Mary 352]

Apache, dog must of being young to only have 3 digs, do you not think he may have settled down over time?

[Dead Eyes 681]

 

Not this season, they're all far too young!

 

I pulled all three threads in the end, but I'm still hoping to prove a few wrong - but only time will tell

 

Best of luck to you this season anyway ??

Why do you care what people think? shouldnt have to prove anything to anybody, especially to strangers on the Internet.

I don't, Mary.

 

However, many think that my short coated black dog won't fit. I am hoping that is incorrect

[Apache... 2,588]

Mary he was young, reckless and headstrong and his health came before his work and the forth dig was not an option.

[johnrussell84 2,881]

U got any pics off sire and dan jossa An any update on pups??

[jossa 971]

Message me your number I will send you some picsort mate.

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