Boxing At The Weekend...

[gnasher16 31,440]

14 minutes ago, WILF said:

That’s a very interesting post, cheers mate.

I love hearing about all sorts of things and I know zilch about boxing or boxing gyms.

I have a massive interest in building players and I think you can learn lots from all sorts of places outside your own discipline, so thanks again

PS: I think you’d like a documentary called “The Last Dance”…..it’s about the Chicago Bulls and Micheal Jordan.

That bloke was a mentality machine….but more than that, the coach Phil Jackson is a very interesting bloke.

I know it probably wouldn’t ordinarily be your cup of tea but it’s genuinely brilliant to watch.

Likewise mate.....coaching seriously has come to me later in life and im quickly realising it takes far more dedication than i ever had competing.....so even on a gaff like this im still taking things in

Theres only so much technical information people can take in at any one time i think a big mistake of mine at the moment is flooding lads with too much info .....then hitting a sticking point later on and realising that the stuff you showed them the other week wasnt fully absorbed and ending up going back over that again.........moving along too fast,is that something you ever come across in a team sport mate or not.

Must admit i do struggle with daft Yank sports its a battle just to take it all seriously but i'll persevere if you think its worth a look,cheers 

Edited September 6, 2022 by gnasher16

[shaaark 11,412]

2 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

Boxing is no different now to what it ever was Wilf truth be told.....the only real difference is the " outside of the ring " stuff now plays out in full public view because of social media etc and so you get people who know and understand next to nothing about boxing become full blown experts having never stepped in or even near a boxing ring........the arguments that used to take place behind closed doors between the likes of Duff/Astaire/Lawless/Barrett of 30/40 years ago are now there for all to see with Hearn/Warren etc and so people who shouldnt really have an opinion now have one.....as for the actual quality of fighters its neither better or worse you get good eras and bad through the different divisions.....a fight is just a fight that has never or will ever change......the only place the sport has changed really is where it doesnt matter,but theres money to be made from it.

Good post. 

Was going to edit my post with something similar, but thought you'd add your reply to wilf before I had a chance to edit it lol.  And word it better.  Especially the 'transparency' of it all these days.

Again, good post. 

[pesky1972 5,634]

Apparently Fury has offered 60/40 split. I think AJ has it all to prove and Fury has the belt and so it’s a fair enough offer.

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12 minutes ago, pesky1972 said:

Apparently Fury has offered 60/40 split. I think AJ has it all to prove and Fury has the belt and so it’s a fair enough offer.

I still think fury will 'pull a fast one' and find ANOTHER excuse not to fight joshua.

 

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1 hour ago, gnasher16 said:

Just to be clear mate my coaching interests and learnings these days are mainly arm wrestling focused ive never had sole responsibility for coaching any fighter,ive had decent input with a lot of young London fighters,more diet/making weight than anything else....ive taken top fighters on pads as im pretty decent at that and generally " knocked about " boxing gyms for many years but for me there should only be 1 voice in a fighters corner.....its a pet hate of mine to see different voices in a corner it just confuses fighters....just because someones holding a spit bucket shouldnt give them a voice !

I wasnt the best trainer as i had too much hunger in other areas of life but was a good solid fighter plenty of grit and toughness but very little inventiveness i could stand with you all night and wear you down on physicality but thats where i stayed when more was needed ....i was probably the opposite of what you see a lot of today,fighters who have all the silky skills but havent had their guts checked and fall apart down the line,i had all the basics but fell apart when a higher skill set was needed. 

Where boxing is different to coaching say footballers is that much of it is drill based.....repetition,repetition.repetition.....those basics have to become second nature before you can look at skill and talent.....when it comes to physically its all about strength and conditioning which is self explanatory but mentally ive always thought its important for your fighter to know who he is,yes you want a confident athlete but not over confident to where he isnt aware of his own weaknesses which all fighters have....i always think a good coach knows his fighters capabilities and doesnt try to put in too much of what nature left out but rather perfect what he does well and you step in the ring on the same page.

To me its a huge part of Joshuas downfall i think being a late developer and not a natural he has been over coached to where his preparation and tactical awareness is beyond him....the nastiness he had early in his career has been taken out   and replaced with some sense of entitlement to be " a boxer ".....no you are a nasty slugger who can put combinations together commit to what got you here.........its the way i see it but then maybe thats why im not a boxing trainer 

joshua isn’t a fighter gnash spot on 

and i’d say wilf the main thing most important any fighter could have and it can’t be taught is the ability to get up and never give in it’s all in the head fury has it in abundance it’s why none will beat him 

plus how comfortable a fighter is calm why he is fat but has more in the tank then any of them 

[WILF 49,992]

48 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Likewise mate.....coaching seriously has come to me later in life and im quickly realising it takes far more dedication than i ever had competing.....so even on a gaff like this im still taking things in

Likewise mate.

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Theres only so much technical information people can take in at any one time i think a big mistake of mine at the moment is flooding lads with too much info .....then hitting a sticking point later on and realising that the stuff you showed them the other week wasnt fully absorbed and ending up going back over that again.........moving along too fast,is that something you ever come across in a team sport mate or not.

I’m the worlds worst for it, I have learned over the years to control it….I understand my flaw and I can avoid it.

I think you said it before, it’s all repetition and the trick is to try and keep it different and interesting.

You have a whole life time and career of knowledge behind you, you can’t teach someone that in, well, a lifetime….what you can do is try and create short cuts for the person or people you are coaching.

 

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Must admit i do struggle with daft Yank sports its a battle just to take it all seriously but i'll persevere if you think its worth a look,cheers 

I think you’ll like the geezer, totally focused horrible b*****d…..the very best type of player imho 

Edited September 6, 2022 by WILF

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6 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Did you and max attend the same comedy workshop over lockdown ?? 
 

jesus your both  about as funny as AIDS 

 

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1 minute ago, mC HULL said:

joshua isn’t a fighter gnash spot on 

and i’d say wilf the main thing most important any fighter could have and it can’t be taught is the ability to get up and never give in it’s all in the head fury has it in abundance it’s why none will beat him 

plus how comfortable a fighter is calm why he is fat but has more in the tank then any of them 

You can’t teach that in anything imho, you are either born that way or you ain’t…..you can’t teach “Heart” , you can only help someone discover if they have one or not imho 

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5 hours ago, shaaark said:

Fury vs kitschko, klitschko, who practically had his arms glued to his sides the whole fight.

Sefer seferi??!!

Francesco pianeta??!!

Wilder, who can't fight, 3 times.   How the f**k he was champion? Well, more WBC poitical shenanigans again.

Yes, Magoo, top opposition and real boxing talent for fury to overcome!! 

Seriously, I keep saying this, but wilder fought NO-ONE his whole career.  And people keep bleating on about fury being the 'greatest' cos he beat wilder lol.

 

fury has the ability to to make great fighters klitschko unable  to throw just by his movement shaark 

wilder has knocked out 40 men on the bounce who else has done that not foreman not ali not mike tyson not frazier ? 

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2 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

It must be so draining to have this type of hero worship Fury fans are constantly having to work things in favour of their sweetheart its embarrassing to watch....grown men besotted by other grown men whats that all about why dont you just watch sport and enjoy it for what it is ?......i must admit Fury is the first fighter ive ever known to have fans so obsessed and delusional that they just slurp up everything he says without thinking for themself.

The way Fury " fans " defend Wilders opponents and vice versa is f****n hilarious i dont know what gyms up north are like but down these parts both fighters fans for some time now have been referred to as  " The Fury Queens and the Wilderettes " ........they'll both end up in the WWF thats for sure !

i enjoy watching a natural gnash slipping hands down just comfortable in the ring who has a massive heart great recovery skills and is improving under sugar bill 

give me the 3 wilder fury fights with all the knockdowns both sides 

to shit usyk joshua an amateur running about arm punching not one knock down in 24 rounds a heavyweight boxing like watching 2 amateurs 

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37 minutes ago, JBs Left Peg said:

I’d think Fury and Usyk should be made first around December time.

Then I think we all need to see Fury v AJ

And although he’s limited technically I’d like to see Joe Joyce get a shot at both Fury and AJ as I like his attributes and he might just give them both a test.

Id also like to see Hughie Fury v AJ

And Hughie Fury v Dubois 

 

usyk is injured

won’t be fury usyk next 

joe joyce will push all of them i think 

i think aj knocks out hughie in no time lamb to the slaughter 

Edited September 6, 2022 by mC HULL

[shaaark 11,412]

30 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

fury has the ability to to make great fighters klitschko unable  to throw just by his movement shaark 

wilder has knocked out 40 men on the bounce who else has done that not foreman not ali not mike tyson not frazier ? 

So, klitschko is a great now?  Not too long back you said he's boring!

I'll tell you the difference between boring and great.

Boring, AS f**k, was fury vs klitschko.

And, OK, maybe not actually 'great, but a great fight to watch, was joshua vs klitschko.  A fight which they both threw plenty of punches.  Also a fight in which joshua got off the canvass to take the fight back to klitschko, then stop him.

Wilder has fought NO-ONE, Magoo.  Even fury isn't that good.  Wilder is poor, or is fury that easy to hit, wilder knocked him over 4 times?! Lol

[kanny 21,657]

1 hour ago, mC HULL said:

joe joyce will push all of them i think 

I don't think he'll beat parker...

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33 minutes ago, shaaark said:

So, klitschko is a great now?  Not too long back you said he's boring!

I'll tell you the difference between boring and great.

Boring, AS f**k, was fury vs klitschko.

And, OK, maybe not actually 'great, but a great fight to watch, was joshua vs klitschko.  A fight which they both threw plenty of punches.  Also a fight in which joshua got off the canvass to take the fight back to klitschko, then stop him.

Wilder has fought NO-ONE, Magoo.  Even fury isn't that good.  Wilder is poor, or is fury that easy to hit, wilder knocked him over 4 times?! Lol

i’d say he is definitely a great shaark longest reign as champion and most wins in world title fights ever 

said he’s boring ? 

sometimes he could be a bit defensive and chinny 

but he had great movement quality jab and solid right hand 

joshua did well in the klitschko fight that can’t be denied 

wilder has knocked every one out he has ever faced bar fury so getting dropped half a dozen times in 3 fights was always going to happen why joshua hasn’t and will never go any we’re near him 

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2 minutes ago, kanny said:

I don't think he'll beat parker...

i think he will mate 12 rounds off been walked down with no let up with take it’s toll