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carl williams a well known name from the past,remember his ad in the 1980 editions of the old shooting news areal great read in its time,heard very little of carl for agood few years now,used to use astud dog by the name of bow if memory is right,ibelieve this dog produced some good stock,may be somebody still runs some of the old blood lines,havent seen or heard of him or any litters since those days. atb in your search and hope you get lucky.

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