Born Hunter 17,937 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Like i said...........people don't want true democracy...........lets stay within the existing framework for another hundred years and change nothing? Seeker....BH..........I know you don't believe it, but the whole political system we have is a scam...........run by the puppets of the rich for the rich..........hows that anything to do with democracy?..........I very much doubt it could turn into a free for all.........the vast majority work and pay tax.........we all have to contribute to bring about a decent society to live in.............run properly the scroungers/wasters wouldn't have any say in it anyway..............there would be jobs for every fit able person...........don't want to contribute? easy..........f***ing starve.... It sounds like you're both happy living the lie?..............maybe in time even the truly brainwashed will see the light..........who knows Truly brainwashed Your mistake is your assumption that you can see something that I can't. Do you really think that if only us poor deluded 'sheeple' could see your enlightened truth we would obviously follow the logical path of 'true democracy' to a democratic socialist utopia? Here's a curve ball for you, perhaps we are as aware of what is going on as you are, only we have come to different conclusions as to what is the best course of action... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Like i said...........people don't want true democracy...........lets stay within the existing framework for another hundred years and change nothing? Seeker....BH..........I know you don't believe it, but the whole political system we have is a scam...........run by the puppets of the rich for the rich..........hows that anything to do with democracy?..........I very much doubt it could turn into a free for all.........the vast majority work and pay tax.........we all have to contribute to bring about a decent society to live in.............run properly the scroungers/wasters wouldn't have any say in it anyway..............there would be jobs for every fit able person...........don't want to contribute? easy..........f***ing starve.... It sounds like you're both happy living the lie?..............maybe in time even the truly brainwashed will see the light..........who knows Truly brainwashed Your mistake is your assumption that you can see something that I can't. Do you really think that if only us poor deluded 'sheeple' could see your enlightened truth we would obviously follow the logical path of 'true democracy' to a democratic socialist utopia? Here's a curve ball for you, perhaps we are as aware of what is going on as you are, only we have come to different conclusions as to what is the best course of action... Correct me if i'm wrong BH?...............Isn't your answer to vote ukip?............and failing that you're happy with the bankers party..........so same old same old?................why didn't they ban anyone starting the ukip party?................because it's still within their framework.............easily controlled.........come up with something a bit more original mate............a hundred years is long enough to play political ping pong Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,937 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Like i said...........people don't want true democracy...........lets stay within the existing framework for another hundred years and change nothing? Seeker....BH..........I know you don't believe it, but the whole political system we have is a scam...........run by the puppets of the rich for the rich..........hows that anything to do with democracy?..........I very much doubt it could turn into a free for all.........the vast majority work and pay tax.........we all have to contribute to bring about a decent society to live in.............run properly the scroungers/wasters wouldn't have any say in it anyway..............there would be jobs for every fit able person...........don't want to contribute? easy..........f***ing starve.... It sounds like you're both happy living the lie?..............maybe in time even the truly brainwashed will see the light..........who knows Truly brainwashed Your mistake is your assumption that you can see something that I can't. Do you really think that if only us poor deluded 'sheeple' could see your enlightened truth we would obviously follow the logical path of 'true democracy' to a democratic socialist utopia? Here's a curve ball for you, perhaps we are as aware of what is going on as you are, only we have come to different conclusions as to what is the best course of action... Correct me if i'm wrong BH?...............Isn't your answer to vote ukip?............and failing that you're happy with the bankers party..........so same old same old?................why didn't they ban anyone starting the ukip party?................because it's still within their framework.............easily controlled.........come up with something a bit more original mate............a hundred years is long enough to play political ping pong No, my answer isn't to vote UKIP, although I probably fall roughly into their niche on the political spectrum (right of centre libertarian....ish). But this little disagreement isn't about which party should rule is it, we're talking about complete overhaul of the democratic system. I don't want what I have inferred as your version of 'true democracy' (that's not a demand or anything other than my opinion). But 'logically' you assume that means I think that what we have now is the pinnacle of democracy...... Not true at all, I'm of the opinion that there is no such possibility of a pure and honest democratic system, NONE! So when presented with the options, I choose which I think is the best fit for my own thinking. Equally that doesn't mean I think the system we have can't be tweaked for improvement. You have given your opinion on what you think is the right way. That's fair enough and I can't and won't say you are wrong, I just don't agree that it is a better option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 I wasn't saying "none" was perfect..........nothing will ever suit everybody..........but things could be a lot better............You were banging on about ukip on the run up to the election, then you vote tory Did your bit then eh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,937 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 I wasn't saying "none" was perfect..........nothing will ever suit everybody..........but things could be a lot better............You were banging on about ukip on the run up to the election, then you vote tory Did your bit then eh No, you were saying that, to choose the current system over your 'true democracy' was brain washed. That's the crux of it, no? Banging on? I certainly supported them, but I was quite clear that I hadn't made my mind up in the run up to the election. There was a few folks stamping "VOTE UKIP" anywhere they could fit it, I'm fairly sure that I wasn't one of them. Feel free to prove otherwise. I certainly spoke in support of their politics though and generally still do. If you call that banging on about them, then right'o, it's neither here nor their in a debate about the democratic system. Though now you have mentioned them, certainly one of the flaws of our system is how unfairly represented certain parties are in parliament. Another flaw imo is how people that take no interest in politics are given equal vote to those that do. I'd change that as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Some of us poor uneducated people saw right through the ukip scam mate, despite people like you........ You aren't brainwashed, that's obvious, you're the genuine article. What i'm saying about "none" is..........it's a chance to break out of the current system, why anybody thinks voting for a party that only caters for a minority is beyond me?..........unless you're in the minority that is?............in that case it makes perfect sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,641 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 I have to say I was very pro ukip for genuine reasons and foremost among them was I believe Nigel Farage actually means it.......however I started to get the jitters when they were taking on a load of chinless wonder career MPs from other parties.......they were the very people I DIDNT want to vote for !! I still think UKIP would have been the right vote, in fact anybody except the "BIG 2" would have been the right vote (except the lib dems of course !! Lol ).......that was the best chance to say "this is no good" I'm a capitalist and a libertarian (if you can be such a thing???) but the current state of affairs at the top where politicians are enslaving people to the order of their pals and fund givers in the big investment banks is criminal. It's not capitalism, it's just plain criminal !! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Let's see, vote for someone who want's to protect workers rights end austerity get rid of a bomb they will never f***ing use, give power back to the people and take away from the super rich and bankers and make things fairer keep the NHS...or vote for tory's who are only interested in lining their own pockets and their mates. Most of our assets are owned by foreign corporations. The suadi's own most of London. We've been conned into paying for a crisis that was caused purely by the banks, we're paying back loans that were given to the banks to bail them out of the shite they caused. We effectively lent them money that they loaned back to us and they charge us high interest on the money we lent them to lend to us. Labour died the day they elected Blair and co, he is a tory through and through same as his current mates....all politicians suck up to terrorists when it suits them, the west funded and trained the current crop (ISIS) to suit their own needs. The minute people start to think for themselves and think about change they wheel out another terror threat and we all go back to shitting ourselves or hoping they'll overturn the hunting ban lmao. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Let's see, vote for someone who want's to protect workers rights end austerity get rid of a bomb they will never f***ing use, give power back to the people and take away from the super rich and bankers and make things fairer keep the NHS...or vote for tory's who are only interested in lining their own pockets and their mates. Most of our assets are owned by foreign corporations. The suadi's own most of London. We've been conned into paying for a crisis that was caused purely by the banks, we're paying back loans that were given to the banks to bail them out of the shite they caused. We effectively lent them money that they loaned back to us and they charge us high interest on the money we lent them to lend to us. Labour died the day they elected Blair and co, he is a tory through and through same as his current mates....all politicians suck up to terrorists when it suits them, the west funded and trained the current crop (ISIS) to suit their own needs. The minute people start to think for themselves and think about change they wheel out another terror threat and we all go back to shitting ourselves or hoping they'll overturn the hunting ban lmao. Your not wrong about any of that mate, granted, but people are sick of immigration, so sick/scared of it that they wont vote for anybody with an open door policy, it's f***ing madness to go down that route, they'll never get a chance to change anything, not even worth debating the ins and outs, it's never going to happen. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Proportional representation? Switzerland has a system that offers benefits of this with some of first past the post/majority as well. http://www.democracy-building.info/particularities-switzerlands-proportional-election-system.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Like i said...........people don't want true democracy...........lets stay within the existing framework for another hundred years and change nothing? Seeker....BH..........I know you don't believe it, but the whole political system we have is a scam...........run by the puppets of the rich for the rich..........hows that anything to do with democracy?..........I very much doubt it could turn into a free for all.........the vast majority work and pay tax.........we all have to contribute to bring about a decent society to live in.............run properly the scroungers/wasters wouldn't have any say in it anyway..............there would be jobs for every fit able person...........don't want to contribute? easy..........f***ing starve.... It sounds like you're both happy living the lie?..............maybe in time even the truly brainwashed will see the light..........who knows Truly brainwashed Your mistake is your assumption that you can see something that I can't. Do you really think that if only us poor deluded 'sheeple' could see your enlightened truth we would obviously follow the logical path of 'true democracy' to a democratic socialist utopia? Here's a curve ball for you, perhaps we are as aware of what is going on as you are, only we have come to different conclusions as to what is the best course of action... Correct me if i'm wrong BH?...............Isn't your answer to vote ukip?............and failing that you're happy with the bankers party..........so same old same old?................why didn't they ban anyone starting the ukip party?................because it's still within their framework.............easily controlled.........come up with something a bit more original mate............a hundred years is long enough to play political ping pong Banning any party would raise it's profile internationally imo,it would get support from a lot of support from all sorts of different people. more specifically I don't think the security services or any of those in power want an efficient and professional party like UKIP becoming in any way militant,that would literally be their worst nightmare come true. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Bollocks to the lot of them.. Totally disillusioned with politics and the political system in this country and beyond.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,641 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Bollocks to the lot of them.. Totally disillusioned with politics and the political system in this country and beyond.. Ditto mate 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Bollocks to the lot of them.. Totally disillusioned with politics and the political system in this country and beyond..Ditto mateIts got to the point where I'd happily do what you done and feck off if I was in a position to do so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,641 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I feel like I was in part forced out mate, I will never forgive those fuckers for taking my England away from me. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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