DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 I love a good old debate and this is the biggest one regarding the history of the APBT. Experts on the breed like Richard Stratton and many others believe the APBT is infact the original Bulldog, whilst the majority agree it was a cross between the Bulldog and working terriers. I for one think there's too many articles and evidence for the terrier infusion not to be true. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,385 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Far too much evidence of crossing in terriers for me to believe those fantasist yanks The APBT is definitely as close as you'll get to the original bulldog though with some lines being more bulldoggy and almost indistinguishable from the original bulldog looks wise. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,220 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 some apbt's look very terrierish in appearance as well. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Far too much evidence of crossing in terriers for me to believe those fantasist yanks The APBT is definitely as close as you'll get to the original bulldog though with some lines being more bulldoggy and almost indistinguishable from the original bulldog looks wise. Not just the Yanks that believe that tbh. Yeah I'm with you, the original Bulldog was more than likely a type not a breed, just like the APBT. As you say some of the original imports that were shipped over the pond looked very Terrier like whilst others resembled the Bulldog. I know the American Bulldog is thought by many to be a relative new breed but I've seen pictures from the 1800's of white Bulldog type dogs that look exactly like the American Bulldog. Edited August 14, 2015 by DogFox123 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,190 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Um, am I being thick here,Why would it be a bulldog if it's called pitbull terrier? The original Bulldogs long gone, the British put pug in to get the cute ikkle squashed faces The Americans crossed God knows what to get the American bulldog/homestead dog. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,385 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Far too much evidence of crossing in terriers for me to believe those fantasist yanks The APBT is definitely as close as you'll get to the original bulldog though with some lines being more bulldoggy and almost indistinguishable from the original bulldog looks wise. I know the American Bulldog is thought by many to be a relative new breed but I've seen pictures from the 1800's of white Bulldog type dogs that look exactly like the American Bulldog. There was definitely a type of farm mutt that resembled the modern American bulldog dating back to the early days of the colony, the creators of the AB just slapped a name on them and started trying to fix a type. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,190 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 I thought pointer blood got added to the American bulldog to increase the nose? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Far too much evidence of crossing in terriers for me to believe those fantasist yanks The APBT is definitely as close as you'll get to the original bulldog though with some lines being more bulldoggy and almost indistinguishable from the original bulldog looks wise. I know the American Bulldog is thought by many to be a relative new breed but I've seen pictures from the 1800's of white Bulldog type dogs that look exactly like the American Bulldog. There was definitely a type of farm mutt that resembled the modern American bulldog dating back to the early days of the colony, the creators of the AB just slapped a name on them and started trying to fix a type. Very true and many of these American Bulldogs of today are probably new creations, but like you said back in the day there was definitely Bulldog type farm dogs in the south of America. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Um, am I being thick here,Why would it be a bulldog if it's called pitbull terrier? The original Bulldogs long gone, the British put pug in to get the cute ikkle squashed faces The Americans crossed God knows what to get the American bulldog/homestead dog. The APBT is still called the Bulldog by many in the fancy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,220 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 best breed of dog i've owned is the american bulldog. Guards the house, great with kids and loves to get a face full. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,190 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Um, am I being thick here,Why would it be a bulldog if it's called pitbull terrier? The original Bulldogs long gone, the British put pug in to get the cute ikkle squashed faces The Americans crossed God knows what to get the American bulldog/homestead dog. The APBT is still called the Bulldog by many in the fancy. Yeah seen that before, I'm sure I read the English bulldog used to be taller ,with longer snout? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Far too much evidence of crossing in terriers for me to believe those fantasist yanks The APBT is definitely as close as you'll get to the original bulldog though with some lines being more bulldoggy and almost indistinguishable from the original bulldog looks wise. I know the American Bulldog is thought by many to be a relative new breed but I've seen pictures from the 1800's of white Bulldog type dogs that look exactly like the American Bulldog. There was definitely a type of farm mutt that resembled the modern American bulldog dating back to the early days of the colony, the creators of the AB just slapped a name on them and started trying to fix a type. That's something the Pit folk don't like to here, maybe these type of dogs are even more closely related to the original Bulldog than the APBT. If so that basically pisses all over the myth that Gameness was brought to the mix solely by the Bulldog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeemes 3,546 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 The Americans got them from us and the Irish,so they should believe what we tell them. They were crossed with terrier I believe but there is always mystery to a dogs pedigree. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,190 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 best breed of dog i've owned is the american bulldog. Guards the house, great with kids and loves to get a face full. I'm not fan tbh,the 2 we had were the wifes,but the first one she had more resembled the bully type, and she was great ,the one fault she had is anyone ran fast past her she would grip the ankle an try and tip you,even me,she also bit at wheels on kids ride one,like a farm collie does with cars. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jeemes 3,546 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 To understand how Pit dogs evolved and diffrences twixt baiting ,fighting etc a good book to read is The Pit bull garden by Douglas G Link. You can get in on Amazon.Its a good read. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.