A Bit Of Enrichment For The Mp's To Enjoy

[Silversnake 1,099]

'they' control what is taught to our children for a start, do you really think what is taught is the most enriching and inspiring information to quench our youths thirst for knowledge, our wealth is controlled through over complicated banking, the legal system is so ridiculous that if you have enough money you can literally get away anything, corrupt governments, controlled media, I could go on and on. Call it capitalism, communism or whatever else you want at the end of the day we are played from birth to be slaves when we should be taught from birth to love the planet and each other.

[WILF 49,444]

Socially, any policy for social change will very quickly become flawed.......nothing is more sure.

The reason being is that any group with a structure will quickly become a small minoritys personal theifdom.......they stop taking the time to think about greater good reverting instead to imposing personal beleifes/opinions.

 

When we talk of the class system, we think that simply by being the good guy and playing by the rules you are contributing to setting a standard for the greater good of society........let me tell you now IMHO your a fool !!

The sooner we realise that no one is playing by the rules especially at the top levels of society then the sooner you can stop worrying about "benefit" people.......benefits are a micro drop in the f***ing ocean!!........they use benefits and talk of a few billion here or there to get folk riled up and distracted.

A billion pounds today is such an insignificant number that it actually has no meaning except to the bloke worrying every day about where his £400 wages is going this week.

Forget it, it's a smoke screen.

 

Education is yet another tool, me and my wife were both school governors so we have seen it from the inside.......again it's simply one parties personal opinion, the greater good don't even come into it !!

Staying on till 18 is IMHO a very good thing because let's face it, your still a kid at 16 and the choices you make are very much childs choices (I left at 14 so I know )

 

BH says that why are we educating people so well if we want obedient morons.......well, I will say this.......we are educating people to be good revenue sources and saddling them with a load of debt on leaving to make sure they dont get too above their station and keep control.......the real cream of the crop are allowed into the big boys party where money is no object so it don't matter to them.

 

It's a great big f***ing game, you better believe it, and your either playing it or your an ant

[desertbred 5,490]

 

Some one mentioned market forces controlling the economy simple word cobblers, Capitalists all over the world manipulate market forces ,

 

So why do Capitalists manipulate market forces if those market forces don't control the economy? I can't get my head round that statement.

 

Capitalists create artificial shortages such as Oil when the wells are running near capacity a glut, so the market is starved of oil to keep the price artificially high. same with all commodities in the world economy be it oil gold gas food even bananas its not rocket science is it.Enough food is produced in the world to eliminate starvation but that would not be acceptable to the capitalists so even the conglomerate farmers will destroy crops to manipulate the market its surely not that difficult to get your head round or is it ? The markets are controlled entirely by the Capitalists and their lackies the politicians. Didnt America through sanctions try to control the economies of Iran and Cuba for 40 and 50 years respectively that was political and capitalist intervention not market or economic forces.

Edited July 22, 2015 by desertbred

[Born Hunter 17,907]

Wilf, imo student debt is feck all. It doesn't hold you back in the slightest. You might see it as a clever tool used by the elite to keep the working academic in check but I can't agree. It's nothing really.

[desertbred 5,490]

So why all the austerity policies of the IMF and World bank your arguments are flawed to the extreme Student fees were raised to 9,000pa to claw back money for the firseable futurefrom students whilst themajority of thepolitical and capitalist elite especially in the UK Education system the elite apitalists and politicians ha free University degree couses at public expense but now these very same Capitalists and politicians want kids to bail them out repaying there 9,000 Pounds per annum to recoup some of the billions of pounds that were atomised by these morons with the world economic crash which was also engineered not because of market forces

Edited July 22, 2015 by desertbred

[Born Hunter 17,907]

 

 

Some one mentioned market forces controlling the economy simple word cobblers, Capitalists all over the world manipulate market forces ,

 

So why do Capitalists manipulate market forces if those market forces don't control the economy? I can't get my head round that statement.

 

Capitalists create artificial shortages such as olil when the wells are running near capacity a glut and the market is starved of oil to keep the price artificially high. same with all commodities in the world economy be it oil gold gas food even bananas its not rocket science is it.Enough food is produced in the world to eliminate starvation but that would not be acceptable to the capitalists so even the conglomerate farmers will destroy crops to manipulate the market its surely not that difficult to get your head round or is it ? The markets are controlled entirely by the Capitalists and their lackies the politicians. Didnt America through sanctions try to control the economies of Iran and Cuba that was political and capitalist intervention not market or economic forces.

 

 

Controlling mineral and hydrocarbon supply is something I'm fairly familiar with. I knew what you meant but your original statement was false.

 

"Some one mentioned market forces controlling the economy simple word cobblers"

 

Savvy capitalists do manipulate the market by artificially reducing or increasing demand but the market is still being controlled by the fundamental market forces OF supply and demand. The controlling factor of those forces has always been humans, it's a human market so has to be.

[Born Hunter 17,907]

So why all the austerity policies of the IMF and World bank your arguments are flawed to the extreme

 

Is that aimed at me or Wilf? If it's at me, I don't get the context..... prior to your post I was talking about Uni fees...

[WILF 49,444]

Fair play BH, I respect your opinion mate but I don't agree.

 

Let me ask a question, you can walk in to anywhere banks included, and get a 20 grand loan for a car that will be worth 10 the minute you drive it off the fourcourt.

 

However,

 

You have to stump up 25% deposit and jump through any number of hoops telling them the minutest details of your life to get a mortgage for a house that will be worth a 100k more than they lent you in 10 years and that you will probably do your utmost to pay every month because otherwise your homeless?

 

The only difference I can see is that with a house, they put you in a bad position to start and know they can then boss you around till the cows come home or you and your kids will have nowhere to live

 

No one gives a shit about a car

 

It's the pure work of a loan shark, who in turn works for a bigger loan shark (or the government to me and you)

 

I can't see any other logic to it

 

A friend son had recently left uni with £30,000 debt and had just taken out a 35 year mortgage in order to afford a place to live.......tell me mate, how is that lad ever going to get off the wheel to true self reliant freedom ?

 

One of the very true things that Maggie Thatcher said was "there's no such thing as society" and she was right, at least in the context that political parties use it........for "society" see "we are helping ourself to what's yours"

 

I think that there is truly only people and their culture......that's all.

Look at all these "children in need" things and every other good cause, we as a culture prove year after year that we don't need anyone to legislate us to give our money to those in need, we do it freely and to the tune of millions.

 

Politicians abuse us and dress it up as "social protection"......we need no such thing, we can do it on our own but that unfortunately makes the politician powerless.

Edited July 22, 2015 by WILF

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

 

Some one mentioned market forces controlling the economy simple word cobblers, Capitalists all over the world manipulate market forces ,

 

So why do Capitalists manipulate market forces if those market forces don't control the economy? I can't get my head round that statement.

 

Capitalists create artificial shortages such as olil when the wells are running near capacity a glut and the market is starved of oil to keep the price artificially high. same with all commodities in the world economy be it oil gold gas food even bananas its not rocket science is it.Enough food is produced in the world to eliminate starvation but that would not be acceptable to the capitalists so even the conglomerate farmers will destroy crops to manipulate the market its surely not that difficult to get your head round or is it ? The markets are controlled entirely by the Capitalists and their lackies the politicians. Didnt America through sanctions try to control the economies of Iran and Cuba that was political and capitalist intervention not market or economic forces.

 

 

Controlling mineral and hydrocarbon supply is something I'm fairly familiar with. I knew what you meant but your original statement was false.

 

"Some one mentioned market forces controlling the economy simple word cobblers"

 

Savvy capitalists do manipulate the market by artificially reducing or increasing demand but the market is still being controlled by the fundamental market forces OF supply and demand. The controlling factor of those forces has always been humans, it's a human market so has to be.

 

 

 

 

 

Some one mentioned market forces controlling the economy simple word cobblers, Capitalists all over the world manipulate market forces ,

 

So why do Capitalists manipulate market forces if those market forces don't control the economy? I can't get my head round that statement.

 

Capitalists create artificial shortages such as olil when the wells are running near capacity a glut and the market is starved of oil to keep the price artificially high. same with all commodities in the world economy be it oil gold gas food even bananas its not rocket science is it.Enough food is produced in the world to eliminate starvation but that would not be acceptable to the capitalists so even the conglomerate farmers will destroy crops to manipulate the market its surely not that difficult to get your head round or is it ? The markets are controlled entirely by the Capitalists and their lackies the politicians. Didnt America through sanctions try to control the economies of Iran and Cuba that was political and capitalist intervention not market or economic forces.

 

 

Controlling mineral and hydrocarbon supply is something I'm fairly familiar with. I knew what you meant but your original statement was false.

 

"Some one mentioned market forces controlling the economy simple word cobblers"

 

Savvy capitalists do manipulate the market by artificially reducing or increasing demand but the market is still being controlled by the fundamental market forces OF supply and demand. The controlling factor of those forces has always been humans, it's a human market so has to be.

 

how was my statement false you are the one trying to purvey a false view of market forces. Market forces are created they are not as simple as supply and demand and the majority of humans in Capitalist societies are also collateral and just are the revenue to provide the bottom line be it in economics , supply and demand or cannon fodder in war you see a little naive in your deductions.

Edited July 22, 2015 by desertbred

[Born Hunter 17,907]

Fair play BH, I respect your opinion mate but I don't agree.

 

Let me ask a question, you can walk in to anywhere banks included, and get a 20 grand loan for a car that will be worth 10 the minute you drive it off the fourcourt.

 

However,

 

You have to stump up 25% deposit and jump through any number of hoops telling them the minutest details of your life to get a mortgage for a house that will be worth a 100k more than they lent you in 10 years and that you will probably do your utmost to pay every month because otherwise your homeless?

 

The only difference I can see is that with a house, they put you in a bad position to start and know they can then boss you around till the cows come home or you and your kids will have nowhere to live

 

No one gives a shit about a car

 

It's the pure work of a loan shark, who in turn works for a bigger loan shark (or the government to me and you)

 

I can't see any other logic to it

 

Okay, but aren't they two different scenarios really. Of course debt/credit can be used as control. However, coming back to the original topic of controlling the masses via education and all that. The debt just doesn't control anything. Hell, if you don't earn a decent wage it gets written off! LOL. It's a bit of a joke amongst students, it can hardly even be considered debt like that of a mortgage or loan. There's no collateral and no requirement to repay unless you are doing fairly well anyway.

 

The whole elite controlling us and our education just doesn't ring true at all to me.

 

The creation of an entire economic system based almost entirely on credit as an effective means of control though I could give some time to...

[WILF 49,444]

What defines doing "fairly well" in the greater scheme of the cost of every day life mate?

[Born Hunter 17,907]

 

 

 

 

 

Some one mentioned market forces controlling the economy simple word cobblers, Capitalists all over the world manipulate market forces ,

 

So why do Capitalists manipulate market forces if those market forces don't control the economy? I can't get my head round that statement.

 

Capitalists create artificial shortages such as olil when the wells are running near capacity a glut and the market is starved of oil to keep the price artificially high. same with all commodities in the world economy be it oil gold gas food even bananas its not rocket science is it.Enough food is produced in the world to eliminate starvation but that would not be acceptable to the capitalists so even the conglomerate farmers will destroy crops to manipulate the market its surely not that difficult to get your head round or is it ? The markets are controlled entirely by the Capitalists and their lackies the politicians. Didnt America through sanctions try to control the economies of Iran and Cuba that was political and capitalist intervention not market or economic forces.

 

 

Controlling mineral and hydrocarbon supply is something I'm fairly familiar with. I knew what you meant but your original statement was false.

 

"Some one mentioned market forces controlling the economy simple word cobblers"

 

Savvy capitalists do manipulate the market by artificially reducing or increasing demand but the market is still being controlled by the fundamental market forces OF supply and demand. The controlling factor of those forces has always been humans, it's a human market so has to be.

 

how wasmy statement false you are theone trying to purvey a false view of market forces.

 

 

You said; "Some one mentioned market forces controlling the economy simple word cobblers". Market forces are supply and demand, no?

 

Then you go on to say "Capitalists create artificial shortages such as olil when the wells are running near capacity a glut and the market is starved of oil to keep the price artificially high.". If market forces, supply and demand, don't govern the market, then why do capitalists try to control supply and demand in a beneficial way?

 

The original statement is false. Otherwise the second statement is false. I know the second is true however, therefore the first is false.

 

I never claimed that market forces weren't manipulated by men to their benefit. That doesn't change the fact that in a capitalist market or even our bastardisation of one, supply and demand govern the market.

 

[Born Hunter 17,907]

What defines doing "fairly well" in the greater scheme of the cost of every day life mate?

 

Quick google search mate as the deal differs depending on the legislation when you enrolled;

 

"The repayment threshold for the UK for the period April 15 to March 16 is £17,335. So anyone with an annual salary of over £17,335 is required to repay their loan and they pay 9% of their earnings over this threshold."

 

Now don't misread that and believe that I'm saying 17k is top dollar. But it's not the bread line is it. 9% on earnings over 17K is hardly controlling a graduates life in anyway really. Not seeing as the average grad starting salary is around 30k I believe.

 

Speaking as a graduate, I don't feel the fees and debt is any sort of burden AT ALL. Not when I compare my salary with my mates. And like I said, no ones coming after me if I end up on my arse.

 

[desertbred 5,490]

Neither of the statements are false they are both factually correct Economies are controlled and manufactured to suit the financial requirements money is a number and this is controlled by purse string holders not the market forces. Supply and demand are manipulated the world over heroin addiction is not a natural market it is a demand created to raise capital some times by cartels or even governments. So supply is controlled purely as a money making exercise water is sold on the world market yet it falls from the sky the earth can purify it naturally but some capitalist exploited the system to sell water purification plants , The world all try to control their land take maximum benefit so nothing is a natural cycle of supply and demand they are all controlled , even birth is controlled now and the powers that be want to control death by having abortion and euthanasia some more markets to exploit as death is inevitable but some one wants to make money out of it.

Edited July 22, 2015 by desertbred

[Born Hunter 17,907]

In my above post, the second quote makes the first quote false, it has to to be true itself. Maybe I have a different understanding of written English to you I don't know. I'm happy to disagree.