Greyhound Bitch

[NEWSBOY 306]

 

 

Just buy a proper bred pup, leave the 2nd rate free flappers alone.

 

Not all flapping dogs are second rate fella ......

spot on that .most if not all greyhounds these days will have derby winners etc in their pedigrees and every one of em will have enough speed to bend hare

agood lurcher brings more to the table than that, i have seen many a dog bend em.

[NEWSBOY 306]

And i must say its great to see that u just carnt get old of a greyhound same as you could afew years ago, breed em and dump them 2 months after.

[brookie 1,193]

 

 

 

Just buy a proper bred pup, leave the 2nd rate free flappers alone.

Not all flapping dogs are second rate fella ......

spot on that .most if not all greyhounds these days will have derby winners etc in their pedigrees and every one of em will have enough speed to bend hare

agood lurcher brings more to the table than that, i have seen many a dog bend em.

 

im only making a comment on basic greyhounds my friend .ive trained greyhounds for syndicates etc in the past and kept and worked lurchers for nearly fifty years .ive been known to breed a few decent ones as well .i personally would give up dogs before id use a greyhound over a lurcher

[FUJI 17,623]

i personally would give up dogs before id use a greyhound over a lurcher

Me too Brookie..

[mackay 3,580]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just buy a proper bred pup, leave the 2nd rate free flappers alone.

Not all flapping dogs are second rate fella ......

spot on that .most if not all greyhounds these days will have derby winners etc in their pedigrees and every one of em will have enough speed to bend hare

agood lurcher brings more to the table than that, i have seen many a dog bend em.

 

im only making a comment on basic greyhounds my friend .ive trained greyhounds for syndicates etc in the past and kept and worked lurchers for nearly fifty years .ive been known to breed a few decent ones as well .i personally would give up dogs before id use a greyhound over a lurcher

 

Agree, over a fair few years I've watched a fair few folk add pure greyhound to a strain of lurcher as they were told or thought it was the right thing to do to keep speed.

I can't comment on the speed side of things but from what I did see it reduced and eliminated a lot of qualities that are essential in a well bred lurcher.

I'd use a fast well bred lurcher before a greyhound everytime. You could do serious damage to a line of well bred lurchers in the genuine sense of the word by just firing a greyhound in.

Edited May 5, 2015 by mackay

[sandymere 8,263]

Some lurcher owners are very ruthless sandy, like the best terriermen/coursing lads, the difference is they are proven in the field, not track.

I don’t know of any lucher owners who would be able to pick the best out of a hundred let alone one in a thousand.

 

As to track proven, well one must consider it in context, a greyhound that is bred from the best of the best that completes a racing career during which it must be able to withstand pressure through it joints that would snap the wrists of a lesser athlete. To my mind this athlete is worth a little closer scrutiny.

 

When cornering the bones/wrist joints sustain pressure of 500psi or 20,000 newtons per square cm, in simple terms the wrist and lower limb structures withstand up to 150kg of downward pressure when galloping around a corner.

A greyhound's heart weight ranges from 1.18 to 1.73% of body weight, or 270 grams to 519 grams for a 30kg greyhound, which is higher than an elite racehorse at 1.0-1.3% of its body weight. Other breeds of dogs have a heart weight equal to 0.77%, about half the size of a greyhound.

A fit greyhound has the highest blood volume of any athlete, relative to its body size, with blood contributing 11.4%, compared to 10.5% for a racehorse, 9.5% for a human sprint athlete and 7.2% for a normal pet dog.

Then there’s the muscles that convert this ability to power and speed, these constitute a greater percentage of the total body mass in greyhounds 57% in comparison to humans 40% and other dogs 44%. Of these in comparison to other breeds greyhounds have a proportionally greater pelvic limb muscle mass. Which allows a higher stride frequency and so faster pace.

Without these adaptions a greyhound running around a track at top speed would break its wrists whilst having a heart attack lol.

So when you add greyhound blood to a lurcher strain you don’t just add speed but you also get the physical attributes that back up that speed. The increased heart size and blood volume doesn’t come from beddies or collies and without it the lurcher cannot perform, a lurcher with a beddies heart will never be any good, it would be like putting a Morris minor engine in a Subaru and wondering why you can’t win a rally!

I think it can be said that if a track dog hasn’t got the physicality, ie heart, blood etc it will not be able to compete at the track. Second if it is to chase, what it knows is an artificial lure, for a number of years pushing itself right to the limit time after time it must also have the mental attitude/chase instinct honed to a great degree.

So greyhounds are proven by the track, the problem is the track isn’t a field and greyhound are bred for the track. Lurcher breeders need to tone down these attributes to get a slower animal, a less perfect running machine. But if one can get the Greyhounds heart size, blood volume etc into the body of a lurcher these diluted greyhounds have the physical potential to be really robust. A dog able to take the pressure that greyhounds joints can withstand, the strain on the heart that a greyhound can stand whilst having increased stamina and agility that comes with the reduction in speed are pretty much the basis of every lurcher. When you breed a collie or beddie greyhound ,from the second generation a fair proportion of pups will have the majority heart and blood volume etc of the non-greyhound ancestor and you can’t see this it can only be found through real work, I’ve already said how many really work their lurcher before breeding?? I’d say I have been out with a lot of lurcher men over the years, more than I’d care to remember and I can count on one hand those who realy worked their dogs. I’ve never bred a lurcher, mainly because I’ve never had one that was either good enough or worked hard enough to prove its worth.

[DEERMAN 1,020]

If you need to add anything add coursing blood

[FUJI 17,623]

If you were breeding pups would you breed from a lurcher that lacked,wind,had no jacket,was injury prone,had the turn of a double decker bus,was totally brainless,had never caught anything in the field? I wouldn't and by using a greyhound you are doing all the above..what's the point?

[nothernlite 18,247]

If you were breeding pups would you breed from a lurcher that lacked,wind,had no jacket,was injury prone,had the turn of a double decker bus,was totally brainless,had never caught anything in the field? I wouldn't and by using a greyhound you are doing all the above..what's the point?

ask gaz his 5 year old daughter will tell you lmao

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

If you were breeding pups would you breed from a lurcher that lacked,wind,had no jacket,was injury prone,had the turn of a double decker bus,was totally brainless,had never caught anything in the field? I wouldn't and by using a greyhound you are doing all the above..what's the point?

ask gaz his 5 year old daughter will tell you lmao

Sandymere has explained the benefits above NL. Have a read ?

[NEWSBOY 306]

If you were breeding pups would you breed from a lurcher that lacked,wind,had no jacket,was injury prone,had the turn of a double decker bus,was totally brainless,had never caught anything in the field? I wouldn't and by using a greyhound you are doing all the above..what's the point?

cos u need to ad running dog, look at ur pom, it used to be a staghound

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Fuji - The greyhounds which are brainless, can't turn, are injury prone etc are ex racers aren't they.

 

Don't you think that one raised from a pup and brought up as a lurcher could be half handy? It would learn to use it's head and learn to turn and thus avoid frequent collisions that ex racers are prone to.

 

Maybe not on the terrain you run. But to lads who favour the faster racier type?

[iworkwhippets 13,131]

 

If you were breeding pups would you breed from a lurcher that lacked,wind,had no jacket,was injury prone,had the turn of a double decker bus,was totally brainless,had never caught anything in the field? I wouldn't and by using a greyhound you are doing all the above..what's the point?

cos u need to ad running dog, look at ur pom, it used to be a staghoun

Edited May 5, 2015 by iworkwhippets

[NEWSBOY 306]

Fuji - The greyhounds which are brainless, can't turn, are injury prone etc are ex racers aren't they.

Don't you think that one raised from a pup and brought up as a lurcher could be half handy? It would learn to use it's head and learn to turn and thus avoid frequent collisions that ex racers are prone to.

Maybe not on the terrain you run. But to lads who favour the faster racier type?

would it work better than a lurcher from proven stock? would it be able to course in the day and lamp the same night? Greyhounds can work, but lurchers do it better.

[nothernlite 18,247]

 

 

If you were breeding pups would you breed from a lurcher that lacked,wind,had no jacket,was injury prone,had the turn of a double decker bus,was totally brainless,had never caught anything in the field? I wouldn't and by using a greyhound you are doing all the above..what's the point?

ask gaz his 5 year old daughter will tell you lmao

Sandymere has explained the benefits above NL. Have a read

 

so that makes it right lol do you beleive everything you read