The Genetic Heritage Of The British Isles

[Born Hunter 17,960]

I found this study quite interesting;

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11480732/Britons-still-live-in-Anglo-Saxon-tribal-kingdoms-Oxford-University-finds.html

 

 

 

Professor Peter Donnelly, Director of the Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics said: “It has long been known that human populations differ genetically but never before have we been able to observe such exquisite and fascinating detail.

 

“We used the genetic material to really tease apart the subtle differences in DNA. And we’re able to zoom in and see which areas are closer genetically.

 

“In a certain sense there are more genetic differences between North and South Wales than between Kent and Scotland.

 

“And in a certain sense there is more similarity between people in the North of England and Scotland than people in the south of England.”

 

The findings also showed that there is not a single ‘Celtic’ genetic group. In fact the Celtic parts of the UK (Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and Cornwall) are among the most different from each other genetically.

 

And the research has finally answered the question of whether the Romans, Vikings and Anglo-Saxons interbred with the Brits or wiped out communities.

 

The team found that people in central and southern England have a significant DNA contribution from the Anglo-Saxons showing that the invaders intermarried with, rather than replaced, the existing population.

 

But there is no genetic signature from the Danish Vikings even though they controlled large parts of England – The Danelaw – from the 9th century, suggesting they conquered, kept largely to themselves, and then left. Only Orkney residents were found to have Viking DNA.

 

[gnasher16 31,602]

I wonder how different that map might look in the next 1500 years as opposed to the last 1500 years !

[shepp 2,285]

I had a feeling the celtic brother stuff was bollocks.

[Malt 379]

Still says that the Welsh were the first ones here.. the rest of you lot can piss off back home..

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3000998/Are-Welsh-truest-Brits-English-genomes-contain-German-French-DNA-Romans-left-no-trace.html

[Born Hunter 17,960]

Careful Welshy! Or we might just extend the kingdom of Mercia! It'd only take a weekend....

[Truther 1,579]

Bit suspicious of the results tbh, only 2000 test subjects? You could probably start again with another 2000 and get different results?

 

Another thing is the Celt connection The Celts originated in the Italian Alps, then spread across most of Europe, surely the DNA would already be mixed in with the Angles/Saxon DNA?

 

Looks like an attempt to drive wedges in to me?

[Born Hunter 17,960]

Bit suspicious of the results tbh, only 2000 test subjects? You could probably start again with another 2000 and get different results?

 

Another thing is the Celt connection The Celts originated in the Italian Alps, then spread across most of Europe, surely the DNA would already be mixed in with the Angles/Saxon DNA?

 

Looks like an attempt to drive wedges in to me?

 

2000 random samples should be ample for statistical trends to be gathered. Bear in mind the criteria required too;

 

The ‘People of the British Isles’ study analysed the DNA of 2,039 people from rural areas of the UK, whose four grandparents were all born within 80km of each other.

 

There is no reason to believe that another 2000 would show significantly different trends in the data.

 

You'll always be able to make up a conspiracy if you want to.

[lanesra 4,007]

As part of this study Y-DNA samples were collected and analysed from 62 men resident on the Isle of Man and possessing traditional Manx names. The Y-DNA analysis consisted of testing of 6 Y-STR markers and a range of Y-SNP markers to determine the larger haplogroup designation of the person tested. The results showed that the Manx male population, as tested then, was a mixture of Haplogroups R1a, R1b and I. The broad inference drawn from these results was that approximately 29% of Manx males showed a possible Scandinavian genetic origin (Haplogroups R1a + I) and the remaining 71% (Haplogroup R1b) a Celtic origin.

 

Plenty Off Celt In Us Here !!

[Truther 1,579]

 

Bit suspicious of the results tbh, only 2000 test subjects? You could probably start again with another 2000 and get different results?

 

Another thing is the Celt connection The Celts originated in the Italian Alps, then spread across most of Europe, surely the DNA would already be mixed in with the Angles/Saxon DNA?

 

Looks like an attempt to drive wedges in to me?

 

2000 random samples should be ample for statistical trends to be gathered. Bear in mind the criteria required too;

 

The ‘People of the British Isles’ study analysed the DNA of 2,039 people from rural areas of the UK, whose four grandparents were all born within 80km of each other.

 

There is no reason to believe that another 2000 would show significantly different trends in the data.

 

You'll always be able to make up a conspiracy if you want to.

 

 

Iv'e no idea what would be considered a "fair" cross section BH, just seems a bit iffy to me? And it still don't explain the mixing of Celt DNA before it even got here? unless im just to thick to understand it

[Born Hunter 17,960]

My understanding is that there isn't any such thing is a genetically identifiable Celtic blood in the British Isles, it's a mixture of individual genetic populations with a common cultural heritage.

 

I'm sure Anglo saxons and 'celtic' people will share common ancestors as well as having mixed occasionally. But why would that make any difference to this data?

[forest of dean redneck 12,023]

What they did was ask for white Brits who definatley knew there grandparents were white Brits who had never lived more than 50 miles from where they were now

Or something along those lines.

It's prob as accurate as you could wish for.

It was secretly finding where the hotspots of inbreeding was to

[Lenmcharristar 10,366]

So does that make us Celtic speaking regions more British than modern English?????? Lol

[beast 1,884]

interesting. i saw a study a few years ago which actually found that there is quite a lot of scandinavian DNA in the british gene pool, but similarly found that the distribution hasnt altered that much, it said that basically the further east you go, the more "viking genes" you have. i was seeing a girl from lowestoft at the time, i remember her being most upset when i asked if she spoke norwegian

 

i will try to find a link to the study.

[keepitcovert 842]

So the population of york or jorvic as it was known under viking rule doesnt have any descendants of the scandinavian heritage, strange a lot of the language is interspersed with danish as are a lot of the place names, unless they were gay or celibate i find this hard to believe , only orkney residents have significant viking dna even harder to believe. Mind you based on 2000 residents if you did this survey in bradford or luton i think youd find that 90 per cent of the population of british people hailed from the indian sub continent.

[beast 1,884]

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/features/mythsofbritishancestry

 

this isnt the study i was thinking of, but makes an interesting read anyway