unlacedgecko 1,467 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 What is it about these 'conservationists' obsessions with apex predators and 'extinct' mammals. Why not put effort into what animals we have left. The red kite introduction is the worst thing that could have ever happened for native ground nesting birds, particularly in the North of England. mark my words, the truth will come out but maybe not before the peewit and the curlew and the grey partridge have been predated into extinction. the survival rate of these chicks in red kite country must be less than 10%, in a matter of years there's going to be some major major decline in such birds. That's MHO. JD They always want to 'rewild' places far away from where they live as well. There are large deer populations and plenty of tree cover in Richmond Paek , London, but I don't see anyone clamouring to release Eurasian Lynx there. A lot of these 'environmentalists' are antis. If they introduce these apex predators, then natures balance will be restored and their is no need for people to hunt. Its all bollocks. The Royale Island wolves proved that there is no such thing as a balance of nature. Populations boom till they hit a limiting factor, the bust spectacularly, before booming again. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unlacedgecko 1,467 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 would a couple of dogs take a lynx? can you imagine the carnage wolves would cause in this country? There was a video of an American taking a cougar with 3 stag hounds. A cougar is 100-150% bigger than a lynx so I don't see why 2 or 3 determined lurchers couldn't account for a lynx. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 As much as I look to places like Alaska and envy the large predators they have, 21st century overcrowded Britain ain't the place for them. Another example of people jumping on their environmentalist high horse claiming to be naturalists and supporting nature, but in actual fact only really give a shit about what they want nature to look like. And I'm not sure there would be such a deer problem if bambi wasn't put on a fecking pedestal and stalking was made more accessible to folks. Or if it was legal to take them without a prohibitively expensive FAC and/or guide. If only there was a way for the average man to hunt deer with nothing more than the landowners permission. Or even Crown land being open end to hunting by the public. Dog men won't bring the deer population under control mate nationally, perhaps localised populations. I'd argue for that to be legalised under a completely different banner, same as bow hunting. If you can afford to build a kennel and feed/school a dog or three for a year or two then I'm sure you afford a stalking setup. It's not the cost that's the problem. I disagree about the cost. I cost me £300 for the safe, £300 for DSC1, £50 for the FAC, £1100 for the rifle (including sights and mod) and £1800 for DSC2. I could feed a dog for a lot less than that. Also, dogs can be used where it is not safe/practical to use a rifle. All it needs for a national population to be controlled is for a lot of people to do it locally, in various different locales. I agree that bow hunting should be legalised as well. Well, I'd say you did it in a fairly expensive way. My 6 gun safe was around £150 which I already had anyway, new Tikka £900, second hand Swaro £350, Jet-Z mod £360, extra bits another £100, plus the £26 variation, job done. None of that is basic budget gear, which could bring the price down considerably. This is running the risk of turning into another discussion all together but all the DSC palaver and even the necessity of land for 'good reason' I consider completely unnecessary. I just don't believe there are enough capable dog men in the country to make a significant dent on the national population in the areas where it matters. Maybe my experience with running dogs has been shite and my opinion of stalking naïve but I couldn't put a dog in the same league as a rifle for effective deer control. I'd love to be proven wrong mind you. Different situations require different tools mind. Without a doubt situations where dogs are effective. But generally speaking to make deer control nationally more effective, I'd go with making deer stalking far more accessible legislatively. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 There really ain't much real wild left in the UK. Perhaps a few less attractive bits of the Caledonion forrest and the odd gloomy valley in North Wales. What people think is wild country very rarely is. If it aint being 'managed' its being roamed over by the rucksack warriors, so there really aint no room for big preditor species and as been said, no one wants to help 'lesser' critters. As much as love this country for its natural beauty, my favorite wild places are those that we used to use and now lay forgotten. Its those tiny specks were the wild things are and not the sterilised countryside.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackdog92 2,047 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I saw it on the tv before they are thinking of realising lynx up ennerdale sod that I don't want them things any were near my stock hopefully it will never happen. If they did I don't think it would be long before they died of lead poisoning lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wullz 408 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Let them loose, on every publicly accessed bit of land in the country, first time an apple faced tent dweller gets scoffed by a pack of wolves or their apple red faces eaten off by a lynx, I for one shall pee my camo's with delight....fekking ramblers....the wolves will soon cotton on to the smell of mint bars and cupasoups.....easy pickings.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I think we need to introduce Mink to try and keep the water vole population down. Oh, hang on a minute..... 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 29,522 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Hold on just a second ........................................Why release Lynx,why reintroduce large predators when according to some folk we have a healthy breeding population of Black Panthers already running around the countryside 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,351 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Just been on my local news, they want to put them in the woods 8mile down the road... Yokel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,567 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 you wouldn't even know they were there, they are very secretive animals. I don't think I would risk my lurchers eyes slipping on a lynx I welcome the idea Quote Link to post Share on other sites
night warrior 178 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 not everyone can get a gun licence so a dog is the next best thing in my eyes and sometimes its not about the kill its the course and the ability of the dog its not about filling the freezer to me its about watching my dogs doing there thing As much as I look to places like Alaska and envy the large predators they have, 21st century overcrowded Britain ain't the place for them. Another example of people jumping on their environmentalist high horse claiming to be naturalists and supporting nature, but in actual fact only really give a shit about what they want nature to look like. And I'm not sure there would be such a deer problem if bambi wasn't put on a fecking pedestal and stalking was made more accessible to folks. Or if it was legal to take them without a prohibitively expensive FAC and/or guide. If only there was a way for the average man to hunt deer with nothing more than the landowners permission. Or even Crown land being open end to hunting by the public. Dog men won't bring the deer population under control mate nationally, perhaps localised populations. I'd argue for that to be legalised under a completely different banner, same as bow hunting. If you can afford to build a kennel and feed/school a dog or three for a year or two then I'm sure you afford a stalking setup. It's not the cost that's the problem. I disagree about the cost. I cost me £300 for the safe, £300 for DSC1, £50 for the FAC, £1100 for the rifle (including sights and mod) and £1800 for DSC2. I could feed a dog for a lot less than that. Also, dogs can be used where it is not safe/practical to use a rifle. All it needs for a national population to be controlled is for a lot of people to do it locally, in various different locales. I agree that bow hunting should be legalised as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
night warrior 178 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Not everyone can get a gun licence so a dog is the next best thing its not about filling the freezer its about watching the dogs doing there thing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIVERD 34 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 The problem is that the idiots who are looking at this want to release them in Aberdeenshire, and it is hardly the highlands. Aberdeenshire can be driven across in an hour or so. It has 2 cities and dozens of large towns. It is the Oil capital of the Uk with many major oil company HQ's and has the worlds busiest heliport. Almost every mountain or hill has people out on it at the weekend, skiing in winter, walking in summer. This is not a quiet wilderness, and every hill and moor will have stalkers and grouse shooters, mountain bikes and skiers or farming. It is one of the last strongholds of Capercallie and wildcat, and lynx would be competition for these, and may predate them. There are hundreds if not thousands of stalkers / fox shooters in Aberdeenshire, and they want to release them in un-fenced forest, so quickly they will be seen, not least by many of the hill shepherds. One of the areas i shoot is as remote any i can think of, and from the highest point a dozen houses can be seen. I can only see disadvantages with this plan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Not everyone can get a gun licence so a dog is the next best thing its not about filling the freezer its about watching the dogs doing there thing Not when controlling deer is repeatedly given as the reason for apex predator reintroduction. Watching a dog spin bambi between spinneys in a 50 acre wheat field is great but its sport, not a serious means to halve the deer population. That's all I was getting at. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J Darcy 5,871 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 When a dog kills a deer its 'barbaric cruelty'....when an introduced wolf pack kills a deer it's 'nature'.....hhhmmmmmmm 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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