thebiggerdog 160 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 no excuse for this at all, breaking dogs to sheep isn't exactly rocket science ffs. http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/eight-dogs-shot-clare-sheep-attack/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dodger 3,594 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Can't stock train one dog so gets 8 yeh great idea.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinytiger 875 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 could be some sheepfarmer on the make as well,wouldnt be the first time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,565 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 i'd set the c**ts house on fire if he shot my dog. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 i'd set the c**ts house on fire if he shot my dog. No you wouldn't!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dodger 3,594 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) If I was daft enough to a dog that wasn't stock trained onto land with stock n it went into a sheep leadin to it gettin shot that would be my fault, if my dog was shot for doin nothin wrong then that's a different story.. I could a world beater but if it wasn't spot on with stock then it wouldn't be worth a carrot.. Edited February 21, 2015 by dodger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fox digger 1,086 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Makes me laugh at times the comments on here..... I know some farmers can get trigger happy when it comes to dogs on there land, but i dont think its because they hate dogs and are sadistic c**ts.... 9 out of 10 times is because some asshole with dogs stung them before or done him wrong......only so many times you can ask people to leave your land and get grief before you take drastic measures. But if you are on such a lads farm its obvious you've no permission or didnt clear it with them, end of the day its there land and your fault if anything happens on there as a result of it.... I know a few farmers about that used to be pro hunting and not neccessarily give permission but quitely let you work away.... Some of them get such a damming with every tom dick and harry out in the morn digging maybe and wrecking a ditch leaving holes open, pack of hounds go through and drive stock through fences and then possibly lamps going alot of nights and cars parked blocking gates and maybe leaving others open.... Easy see how they get pissed off.... And its usually the stupid ones that draw the farmers on them that aren't so plesent either!!!! Two sides to every story..... 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoChara 1,632 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I agree with fox digger, it's possible the farmer had trouble in the past. I sit on the fence with things like that. The livestock is a farmers livelihood. Ok this story is going overboard seeing the amount of dogs shot, it's a hard one. I'd go ape shit if someone shot any of my dogs, probably even if it was the dog in the wrong but that's just my attitude. An example I can give happened on Boxing Day hunt last year, dairy farmer up the road not against hunting in anyway at all. Was standing in with his heard and they all got spooked some fell, which as you know chances are if a cow falls breaks her leg she's pts. He went out to find a group of them in his yard, they'd galloped up his lane into his yard (no dogs) now why they done it I don't know but your talking hundreds lost per one high yielding milker. I know this story's nothing to do with topic itself but you can see why some farmers get sick of it. It's defiantly a tongue in cheek discussion. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobcullen79 1,495 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Makes me laugh at times the comments on here..... I know some farmers can get trigger happy when it comes to dogs on there land, but i dont think its because they hate dogs and are sadistic c**ts.... 9 out of 10 times is because some asshole with dogs stung them before or done him wrong......only so many times you can ask people to leave your land and get grief before you take drastic measures. But if you are on such a lads farm its obvious you've no permission or didnt clear it with them, end of the day its there land and your fault if anything happens on there as a result of it.... I know a few farmers about that used to be pro hunting and not neccessarily give permission but quitely let you work away.... Some of them get such a damming with every tom dick and harry out in the morn digging maybe and wrecking a ditch leaving holes open, pack of hounds go through and drive stock through fences and then possibly lamps going alot of nights and cars parked blocking gates and maybe leaving others open.... Easy see how they get pissed off.... And its usually the stupid ones that draw the farmers on them that aren't so plesent either!!!! Two sides to every story..... The bottom 3 look like gut shots? I`d hate to think some who made the decision to shoot a dog wasnt taking pot shots or maiming to kill .As has been mentioned on the lurcher boards, dogs can turn their hand to sheep at any time, especially in a pack, sometimes the fault of only one of the dogs. So without knowing all the details, you cant really speculate. I`d like the opportunity to pay for any damage my dogs caused rather than someone make the decision my dog was bad and deserved to die. That would really f**k me off and cause me to make life changing decisions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fox digger 1,086 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Very true mo chara, old farming couple who own the land that bounds me are salt of the earth, i actually bought my place from them, help you anyway they can, both in there 80's and farmed the same land all there life. They never ran anybody that went on there land all down through the years, might not have neccessarily liked it but left the few that did alone as they would have known them. In the last few years there are alot of younger lads going on there that they dont know and has never approached or asked if it was ok, there have been cattle run through wire on different nights and gates left open. But thats only the small problem, a couple of years ago an unregistered pack ran through the farm while they were milking and some of the cattle went to run out a gate the woman was closing and knocked her, the husband went out and followed the lad hunting the dogs and asked him to stay away from the yard as the cattle were in and there were calves about and he didnt mind as long as they stayed clear of the yard. Long story short the hounds doubled back after awhile and ran straight passed a shed full of calves, two of the calves ended up getting caught in the bars they put there head through to eat silage from the paggage in front of the shed, they both had to be pts as they destroyed themselves. Farmer was delerious. Found out the lad that ownded the hounds, called to him to say what had happened and needed his calves paid for..... Lets just say the responce wasn't good and the answer he got was identicle to a comment on an earlier post on this topic...... Long time and a court case later he was compensated for his calves. Moral of the long winded story is how would you feel if in your own yard some unautherised person came in, done damage, potentially harmed your wife, and then turned around and told you to shut up or xx xx will be done to you...... Leaves a bitter taste id imagine..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chid 6,844 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 If my dog killed a sheep in a farmers presence id expect it to be shot, if not id be digging a hole myself .... 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoChara 1,632 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Very true mo chara, old farming couple who own the land that bounds me are salt of the earth, i actually bought my place from them, help you anyway they can, both in there 80's and farmed the same land all there life. They never ran anybody that went on there land all down through the years, might not have neccessarily liked it but left the few that did alone as they would have known them. In the last few years there are alot of younger lads going on there that they dont know and has never approached or asked if it was ok, there have been cattle run through wire on different nights and gates left open. But thats only the small problem, a couple of years ago an unregistered pack ran through the farm while they were milking and some of the cattle went to run out a gate the woman was closing and knocked her, the husband went out and followed the lad hunting the dogs and asked him to stay away from the yard as the cattle were in and there were calves about and he didnt mind as long as they stayed clear of the yard. Long story short the hounds doubled back after awhile and ran straight passed a shed full of calves, two of the calves ended up getting caught in the bars they put there head through to eat silage from the paggage in front of the shed, they both had to be pts as they destroyed themselves. Farmer was delerious. Found out the lad that ownded the hounds, called to him to say what had happened and needed his calves paid for..... Lets just say the responce wasn't good and the answer he got was identicle to a comment on an earlier post on this topic...... Long time and a court case later he was compensated for his calves. Moral of the long winded story is how would you feel if in your own yard some unautherised person came in, done damage, potentially harmed your wife, and then turned around and told you to shut up or xx xx will be done to you...... Leaves a bitter taste id imagine.....just goes to show same shit going on all over the place.. It's that bad that a soon to be family member of ours will not let US hunt his land due to the fact that a group of boys with 5/6 lurchers hunted his land without permission leaving gates open in fields with beef cattle in and just not having respect. Long story short he'd caught them walking up the lane early morning and just had a word and asked for them to move on elsewhere - doubt he got a polite response back. So spoiled it for us and your talking land as far as your eyes can see I believe you should have respect for the land you work and even more respect for the owners of that land, EVEN more so if you don't have permission.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulf 820 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 There's only one person to blame for a stock worrier and that's the owner of the dog no one else . 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 10,014 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 i'd set the c**ts house on fire if he shot my dog. No you wouldn't!! everybody say that lol, but a crack around his head one night with rounders bat prob be more realistic , you soon get to know there routines . the dogs on this post are (hounds) feck knows what happened there , all dogs should be broke to stock , when your out in country , more so a working dog. for me any dog ive owned in the last 30 years are broke to stock, and still show them sheep every day, just to keep on top of them, they see sheep from 9 weeks old - and all time . I don't trust any dog 100% as ive said on these post before , there just dogs not machines and all can loose it few secs , but given a good hiding +training they don't x that line again , the odd few that might then they need 12 g job . but if my dogs were broke to sheep which there are ,and off lead but under control and only 10 yds or so in front in (view) and a trigger happy farmer shot them, as above wait me time , and give him nice 6 weeks holiday in the A.E. keep saying where the fookin sheep end up on a dinner plate, dog kills it farmer looses money, man kills it farmer makes money , it still a dead sheep lol. but that link was terrible no doubt the hunt paid him, and lost that ground there after Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unlacedgecko 1,467 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 If my dog killed a sheep in a farmers presence id expect it to be shot, if not id be digging a hole myself .... I am of the same opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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