Greengrass 201 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 And yes Dog fox, like him or loathe him he knew his shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mule123 112 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 remember reading a book back in the day called velvet and steel by bob stevens ?about conditioning bulldogs good book Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 201 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Probably a bit dated now but a good book in its day, I still think the conditioning side of things is the biggest single factor in the dogs, maybe wrong but just my opinion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Probably a bit dated now but a good book in its day, I still think the conditioning side of things is the biggest single factor in the dogs, maybe wrong but just my opinion Yep it was a massive part of the game, the same as it is for coursing dogs. The right man can work wonders by getting a dog in tip top shape. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mule123 112 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Probably a bit dated now but a good book in its day, I still think the conditioning side of things is the biggest single factor in the dogs, maybe wrong but just my opinion Yep it was a massive part of the game, the same as it is for coursing dogs. The right man can work wonders by getting a dog in tip top shape. in man or beast conditioning is a must to be on top of your game imo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oxo 395 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 in man or beast conditioning is a must to be on top of your game imo That's very true, but a lot of the dogs in the 80s went 3 hours on Chappie and roadwork! They won in spite of their conditioning, not because of it 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsouth 6,859 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 had a wee banjo/rosita bitch only pushed 26/27ish. Personally like them over 30 and under 40, but like the big man says, if they have big hearts...;-) Yokel I had a bitch down from banjo and rosita years back real steady laid back bitch that wouldn't bother anything if it didn't bother her she would even mother another bitches pups and would clean the terriers up for days after they had been out working.Had a tiny dog down from mac/violet he wouldn't have topped 25lb wanted to kill everything from the day I got him at 14 weeks old and would run in the shed as soon as he got the chance and stand beside the mill whining but if I bought him indoors he would just curl up on on my feet and wouldn't move all night if I didn't move him. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,754 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 in man or beast conditioning is a must to be on top of your game imo That's very true, but a lot of the dogs in the 80s went 3 hours on Chappie and roadwork! They won in spite of their conditioning, not because of it Couldnt agree more......folk talk about these 4/5/6 hour matches today and say the dogs are gamer than ever........are they bollocks ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
northern lad 2,292 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Not necessarily mate !?...a dead game dog is one that takes its death rather than quit...its deadOh no it's not ....Its all got a bit pantomime now...if you think that a deadgame dog isnt a dog thats dead...then you clearly dont know what your talking about...a game dog is one that wont quit at its task no matter what...a deadgame dog dies seeing the job through...historicaly speaking..the clues in the word...'Dead'What about this instance then Brindle, a fella who we went to visit kept a big yard, part of his learning about the dogs he went and worked for the Rebel -Ricky Jones as a general yard boy. Says he saw with his own eyes a dog scratch then keel over and expire there and then, Jones had a vet on hand doing jabs and stuff on pups etc and he managed to get the dog back to life, took it back into the pit where it scratched into another dog in the other corner AND survived to live on, true or not I don't know but don't see that he had any reason to lie about it.That is what gameness is so the dog would be game? The will too keep going until the end. If it died then its dead game. Posts before seemed to think a dead game dog wasnt useless if its been bred. As if the dogs served its purpose. To me its lack of respect for an animal your asking to give its all and is animal abuse. Im no hard nut but if i was around back in the day and saw it going on we'd be finding out just how game that owner is.Well obviously you wouldn't be able to handle working Bulldogs back in the day, dogs that have looked like they were taking a hiding have come back from the brink and won. It's the harshest of environments that makes the dogs what they are, the sport is brutal no doubt but IMO far less cruel than killing Foxes and other animals with dogs. You think killing foxes and other animals with dogs is far more cruel than two dogs going at it in the pit for an hour...FFS ...Youre on the wrong site bud,,,,deluded Yeah I do and I'm far from deluded, how long did some Fox hunts last?? And don't tell me what site I'm on bud. Didn't tell you what site you were on....said you were on the wrong site....you sound like an Anti Getting chased and POSSIBLY caught and quickly dispatched is not the same as a grinding war in the pit ,theres nowhere to run or hide and no chance of escape ....sport??? I think not Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 201 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Let's not spoil a good thread by publicly going down the what's sport and what's not route , keep it private IMO. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
northern lad 2,292 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Yeah,lets not spoil a good dogfighting thread FFS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 201 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 If you don't like it don't read it ...simples. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ratkilla 35 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 If things were different and you lads had access to quality bull blood and a choice of the stock, what in your opinions would be the qualities you'd look for in a bull to breed lurchers? For me id want a leggy type, a 50lb plus dog, with ability, natural wind, from game dogs and of course sound temperament. No opinions ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
northern lad 2,292 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 If you don't like it don't read it ...simples. Not as simple as that is it....we all get tarred with the same brush by association Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Not necessarily mate !?...a dead game dog is one that takes its death rather than quit...its deadOh no it's not ....Its all got a bit pantomime now...if you think that a deadgame dog isnt a dog thats dead...then you clearly dont know what your talking about...a game dog is one that wont quit at its task no matter what...a deadgame dog dies seeing the job through...historicaly speaking..the clues in the word...'Dead'What about this instance then Brindle, a fella who we went to visit kept a big yard, part of his learning about the dogs he went and worked for the Rebel -Ricky Jones as a general yard boy. Says he saw with his own eyes a dog scratch then keel over and expire there and then, Jones had a vet on hand doing jabs and stuff on pups etc and he managed to get the dog back to life, took it back into the pit where it scratched into another dog in the other corner AND survived to live on, true or not I don't know but don't see that he had any reason to lie about it.That is what gameness is so the dog would be game? The will too keep going until the end. If it died then its dead game. Posts before seemed to think a dead game dog wasnt useless if its been bred. As if the dogs served its purpose. To me its lack of respect for an animal your asking to give its all and is animal abuse. Im no hard nut but if i was around back in the day and saw it going on we'd be finding out just how game that owner is.Well obviously you wouldn't be able to handle working Bulldogs back in the day, dogs that have looked like they were taking a hiding have come back from the brink and won. It's the harshest of environments that makes the dogs what they are, the sport is brutal no doubt but IMO far less cruel than killing Foxes and other animals with dogs. You think killing foxes and other animals with dogs is far more cruel than two dogs going at it in the pit for an hour...FFS ...Youre on the wrong site bud,,,,deluded Yeah I do and I'm far from deluded, how long did some Fox hunts last?? And don't tell me what site I'm on bud. Didn't tell you what site you were on....said you were on the wrong site....you sound like an Anti Getting chased and POSSIBLY caught and quickly dispatched is not the same as a grinding war in the pit ,theres nowhere to run or hide and no chance of escape ....sport??? I think not How do I sound like an anti you idiot?? I'm pointing out that dog fighters are know has the scum of the earth for letting two dogs do what they enjoy doing whereas hunters aren't half as bad to the general public which is complete bullshit IMO. Edited February 21, 2015 by DogFox123 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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