darren_nash 85 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 she aint got a waistline, shes got a coastline.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mickey Finn 2,757 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 impressive what you can do with a prong collar, and a shock collar! make no wonder the dogs on edge yeh maybe so , but pits are intelligent dogs , and can take to training just like any dog can, and a lot have sensitive nature a e/collar could fook them up totally I would like to take this opportunity to stand up for electric, and prong collars. But the handler seemed to have to prong collar attached to a leash which was dangling. This would give corrections to the dog for no reason. Then using two seperate forms of correction at the same time seems a little odd as well. But then again, like someone mentioned alot of police dogs do not handle as well. Nice vid jigsaw! My thoughts exactly. That dog when on the sleeve always seemed to be expecting an "off"command. I have no issue with the use of either collar type used correctly, but both together with a trailing lead is, in my mind not good practice. I'm not knocking a well tained dog, just questioning hows its been achieved and the results when it REALLY matters Anticipating commands might just mean training was too predicable. At least the dogs smart enough to recognize patterns. ATB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,599 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 There was a mag about yrs ago, (maybe still is?) called "combat and survival. only bought it once as it had an article on the us army trying out A.P.B.T's as attack dogs, they gave up after a good few months of trying as they found, whilst very good at the attack side of things, the control they had over them was a bit hit and miss when the blood was up, so to speak. they would hit anywhere and release when THEY thought it was over...maybe why that fella has all the bells and whistles around that bitches neck?...very impressive tho... yokel funny you say that, regards man work, because bel mals very full on dogs, that are at times hard to control .So a well bred apbt that more drive in it would be a fookin nightmare to hold back if liked this kind of thing s they hit anywhere even the face lol, prob why the army +police prefer gsd' for the above jobs, with there easier temps to control . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rabbit demon 301 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Seemingly pit bulls are banned from all U,S army bases now, im sure I read that somewhere. Sergeant stubby got medals for saving American soldiers from gas attacks and even catching a German spy. Shame their reputation has been ruined by half wits, the only dodgy pitbulls I ever came across their owners were even dodgier, either drug dealers gangsters or absolute dopes, saw plenty nice ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mickey Finn 2,757 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Seemingly pit bulls are banned from all U,S army bases now, im sure I read that somewhere. Sergeant stubby got medals for saving American soldiers from gas attacks and even catching a German spy. Shame their reputation has been ruined by half wits, the only dodgy pitbulls I ever came across their owners were even dodgier, either drug dealers gangsters or absolute dopes, saw plenty nice ones. PBTs are the preferred guard dog for crack houses over here. That's a reputation thats hard to live down. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C556 351 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 There was a mag about yrs ago, (maybe still is?) called "combat and survival. only bought it once as it had an article on the us army trying out A.P.B.T's as attack dogs, they gave up after a good few months of trying as they found, whilst very good at the attack side of things, the control they had over them was a bit hit and miss when the blood was up, so to speak. they would hit anywhere and release when THEY thought it was over...maybe why that fella has all the bells and whistles around that bitches neck?...very impressive tho... yokel I think one of the problems with the English Bull Terriers that were being trained for protection work in Germany (Rudolf Severin's?) was that they were very hard to out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jigsaw 11,809 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 nice vid ,liam . spot on... read in the papers today that rolf harris touched up vanessa felts , what with ? 10 litres of magnolia and a fecking wide brush, lol,hed want anti fungicidal i reckon lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,599 Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Above dogs are legendary but there no virgil or iron kid A PIT BULL AT IT'S BEST! nothing to touch them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unlacedgecko 1,466 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Above dogs are legendary but there no virgil or iron kid A PIT BULL AT IT'S BEST! I was surprised at how quiet the whole thing was. It is something I have read about in books, but similar films from the US seem to be very noisy, with people banging on the walls, shouting and the dogs making noise as well... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,754 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 saw this on face book.the training gone into this dog must have taken months if not longer,superb control and obedience. Never really been impressed with all that stuff you could make almost any dog do almost any thing with the right bond and the right connection a pit bull is just as trainable as any other breed its just that due to the nature of the breed they get pushed in the direction of all the action man type stuff i personally think its harder than a lot of folk believe to get a dog to bite a human beings skin training or no training......things like this become a game if the dog really thought it was in any real danger you might see a very different reaction it all looks impressive in a controlled environment but in a real situation of danger a well bred American Pit Bull Terrier is the last type of dog i would want around. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,754 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Above dogs are legendary but there no virgil or iron kid Them Russians had a lot of folk eating out the palm of their hands 10 - 15 years ago,fair play to them they saw a market and exploited it.......plenty of pretty average bulldogs becoming 3/4/5.......10 time winners by chalking rolls off as matches i reckon they sold more video tapes than dogs 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,127 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Above dogs are legendary but there no virgil or iron kid Them Russians had a lot of folk eating out the palm of their hands 10 - 15 years ago,fair play to them they saw a market and exploited it.......plenty of pretty average bulldogs becoming 3/4/5.......10 time winners by chalking rolls off as matches i reckon they sold more video tapes than dogs same thing happened over here for awhile tho, hence the SDJ stopped recognizing english dogs. people sending in spurious reports, making dogs into ch/ gr ch with no merit. helped them get a few stud fee from the pit bull news... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,754 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Above dogs are legendary but there no virgil or iron kid Them Russians had a lot of folk eating out the palm of their hands 10 - 15 years ago,fair play to them they saw a market and exploited it.......plenty of pretty average bulldogs becoming 3/4/5.......10 time winners by chalking rolls off as matches i reckon they sold more video tapes than dogs same thing happened over here for awhile tho, hence the SDJ stopped recognizing english dogs. people sending in spurious reports, making dogs into ch/ gr ch with no merit. helped them get a few stud fee from the pit bull news... Absolutely......only difference being they were video taping the evidence and selling it ....at least over here folk could say the dogs were conditioned and put up an argument Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,127 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Above dogs are legendary but there no virgil or iron kid Them Russians had a lot of folk eating out the palm of their hands 10 - 15 years ago,fair play to them they saw a market and exploited it.......plenty of pretty average bulldogs becoming 3/4/5.......10 time winners by chalking rolls off as matches i reckon they sold more video tapes than dogs same thing happened over here for awhile tho, hence the SDJ stopped recognizing english dogs. people sending in spurious reports, making dogs into ch/ gr ch with no merit. helped them get a few stud fee from the pit bull news... Absolutely......only difference being they were video taping the evidence and selling it ....at least over here folk could say the dogs were conditioned and put up an argument Got to agree with you, and while i'll admit, there was a couple of them russian/balkan dogs that impressed me, on the whole they where average at best and most left down far to long... Yokel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,754 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Got to agree with you, and while i'll admit, there was a couple of them russian/balkan dogs that impressed me, on the whole they where average at best and most left down far to long... Yokel Thats the trouble when something is easily replaced aint it......where some folk will pick up and breed off it they were just replacing like for like with a shrug of the shoulders and a " whats the big deal " attitude........which when you have local village plod referreeing is an easy view to have ...... funny bunch though and probably good for the breed long term. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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