Religion/god Given Rights..

[Hot Meat 3,109]

It's a weird ole world, fook trying to explain it, I'll just enjoy me time on it lol

[paulus 26]

is not time nothing more than speed and light in a black hole is time even relevant

[gnasher16 31,442]

A black hole is a thing..............nothing is not a thing so there cant be time in it.

[dixiefried 269]

Sadly over the last two days ,I've attended Funerals. One a Humanist service,One an R.C. service,both were a celebration of the person passing over.

Both comforted the friends and Family who had attended.

Both succeeded in their intentions.To provide comfort and solace for those left behind.If you have a Faith/Belief system good on you,but use it wisely and for the good,if not don't go trying to destoy some one elses 'Belief .It don't harm you ,if you dont believe in it.Does it

[paulus 26]

A black hole is a thing..............nothing is not a thing so there cant be time in it.

one if you believe that there is only one definition of time

[Malt 379]

is not time nothing more than speed and light in a black hole is time even relevant

There is no light in a black hole, it's gravity is that immense even photons can't escape. It even distorts time. If you went into one and I was watching from a safe distance, I would forever see your image on the event horizon, but you would be pulled into atoms and go beyond it..

[paulus 26]

 

is not time nothing more than speed and light in a black hole is time even relevant

There is no light in a black hole, it's gravity is that immense even photons can't escape. It even distorts time. If you went into one and I was watching from a safe distance, I would forever see your image on the event horizon, but you would be pulled into atoms and go beyond it..

 

but the whole theory of time travel is based on distorting time, is a time warp not just a bend in time??

[Born Hunter 17,910]

 

 

i find it mind boggling that if the universe has expanded to the limit then llets say collapsed and shrank then expanded again just how old would that make the universe?

 

If that's the case we can never know as we can't measure or see anything outside of our current universe. The question is probably unanswerable.

 

Alternatively there may be many universes all within some greater mother universe, where energy and physics exists but in a form we don't know of, then under certain circumstances a singularity is formed and the resultant Big Bang forms a new universe with evolved laws of physics, possibly unique.

 

I thought the idea of the universe expanding and collapsing was out of vogue since it was theorised that dark energy was driving the expansion of the universe and was stronger than gravity.. Thought spagettification was now the in thing as to how the universe will end rather than in a 'big collapse..'

 

Hard to comprehend, but I've just gone back and refreshed my memory a little about what Brian Cox said in that program. Everything that currently exists in the universe (or the ingredients to make it anyway) was there in a single singularity possibly smaller than the smallest subatomic particle we know about in the moments before the bang.

 

 

Yeah I think that's the current beliefe based on up to date hubble constand calculations. The dark energy cause is just a possible explanation for it as well as gravity having a repulsive nature on a cosmological scale.

 

They all are possible answers though, that's all i meant.

[mushroom 14,080]

 

 

is not time nothing more than speed and light in a black hole is time even relevant

There is no light in a black hole, it's gravity is that immense even photons can't escape. It even distorts time. If you went into one and I was watching from a safe distance, I would forever see your image on the event horizon, but you would be pulled into atoms and go beyond it..

 

but the whole theory of time travel is based on distorting time, is a time warp not just a bend in time??

 

Nope a time warp is where time is distorted by an external force, time travel involves other theories

[Malt 379]

 

 

is not time nothing more than speed and light in a black hole is time even relevant

There is no light in a black hole, it's gravity is that immense even photons can't escape. It even distorts time. If you went into one and I was watching from a safe distance, I would forever see your image on the event horizon, but you would be pulled into atoms and go beyond it..

 

but the whole theory of time travel is based on distorting time, is a time warp not just a bend in time??

 

Aye, so Brian Cox said on the Dr. Who thing I watched a few months back.. Something to do with somehow bending your future light cone so it intersects with your past one..

[Born Hunter 17,910]

A black hole is a thing..............nothing is not a thing so there cant be time in it.

 

Gnasher mate, you're right by our laws of physics in this universe. Problem is we are assuming all 'this' came from nothing simply because it all came from a singularity and expanded. We literally have no idea what was there before, if indeed there was a 'before', and if there was a before how the laws of that universe (for lack of a better word) behaved. We just don't know and will possibly be limited by the boundary conditions of our universe. It doesn't mean science doesn't exist outside of it, just that are not able to work with from within ours.

[paulus 26]

Mr Hawkins on black holes, the end of a lecture on them.

 

It was therefore very important to determine whether information really was lost in black holes, or whether in principle, it could be recovered. Many people felt that information should not be lost, but no one could suggest a mechanism by which it could be preserved. The arguments went on for years. Finally, I found what I think is the answer. It depends on the idea of Richard Feinman, that there isn't a single history, but many different possible histories, each with their own probability. In this case, there are two kinds of history. In one, there is a black hole, into which particles can fall, but in the other kind, there is no black hole. The point is, that from the outside, one can't be certain whether there is a black hole, or not. So there is always a chance that there isn't a black hole. This possibility is enough to preserve the information, but the information is not returned in a very useful form. It is like burning an encyclopedia.. Information is not lost if you keep all the smoke and ashes, but it is difficult to read. Kip Thorne and I had a bet with John Preskill, that information would be lost in black holes. When I discovered how information could be preserved, I conceded the bet.I gave John Preskill an encyclopedia. Maybe I should have just given him the ashes.

What does this tell us about whether it is possible to fall in a black hole, and come out in another universe. The existence of alternative histories with black holes, suggests this might be possible. The hole would need to be large, and if it was rotating, it might have a passage to another universe.But you couldn't come back to our universe. So, although I'm keen on space flight, I'm not going to try that.

The message of this lecture, is, that black holes ain't as black as they are painted. They are not the eternal prisons they were once thought. Things ~can get out of a black hole, both to the outside, and possibly, to another universe. So, if you feel you are in a black hole, don't give up. There's a way out.

I would like to thank the organizers of this meeting again, for inviting me, to this beautiful country, which I discovered about ten years ago.My stay in Chile is not over, and I look forward to the coming days.,

Thank you for listening.

[Born Hunter 17,910]

 

 

 

is not time nothing more than speed and light in a black hole is time even relevant

There is no light in a black hole, it's gravity is that immense even photons can't escape. It even distorts time. If you went into one and I was watching from a safe distance, I would forever see your image on the event horizon, but you would be pulled into atoms and go beyond it..

 

but the whole theory of time travel is based on distorting time, is a time warp not just a bend in time??

 

Aye, so Brian Cox said on the Dr. Who thing I watched a few months back.. Something to do with somehow bending your future light cone so it intersects with your past one..

 

 

I watched that and I'll tell you now some of the stuff he comes out with is missleading. What he talks about is special relativity, it's simply dilation of time relative to the observer. So how time can be slowed down for different observers depending on their inertial reference frame. None of that is reversing the direction of time! So not time travel just 'time manipulation'.

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

is not time nothing more than speed and light in a black hole is time even relevant

There is no light in a black hole, it's gravity is that immense even photons can't escape. It even distorts time. If you went into one and I was watching from a safe distance, I would forever see your image on the event horizon, but you would be pulled into atoms and go beyond it..

 

but the whole theory of time travel is based on distorting time, is a time warp not just a bend in time??

 

Nope a time warp is where time is distorted by an external force, time travel involves other theories

 

not quite if you view time as a sheet of rubber and then place a heavy object in the middle of it it bends at the point the object touches, the heavier the object the bigger the bend so no imagine a black hole pressing on time the bend would be infinite

[Malt 379]

 

A black hole is a thing..............nothing is not a thing so there cant be time in it.

 

Gnasher mate, you're right by our laws of physics in this universe. Problem is we are assuming all 'this' came from nothing simply because it all came from a singularity and expanded. We literally have no idea what was there before, if indeed there was a 'before', and if there was a before how the laws of that universe (for lack of a better word) behaved. We just don't know and will possibly be limited by the boundary conditions of our universe. It doesn't mean science doesn't exist outside of it, just that are not able to work with from within ours.

 

Hey Born, what if the universe is the result of some intelligent being somewhere (let's just call him God,, ) experimenting in a lab trying to reverse the matter/antimatter reaction and create matter from pure energy?