Joe67 239 Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 similar to the "great" britan once trying to take over the world? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 England , NI ( I will even add Eire ) Scotland and Wales are all proud Countries with their own History and Culture. But England , NI, Scotland and Wales need to stand Shoulder to Shoulder or we are ALL Fooked. GREAT BRITAIN needs building from the floor up once more. Spot on Max! We are being assimilated into the European machine. Welcome to the United States Of Europe. I put a post up on the 'ships' thread that highlighted my concerns with this.. If Scotland goes, Wales will have a much, weaker voice when it comes to effecting the vote on a national basis and I reckon within the space of 2 or 3 elections we'll be considering our own position when our voices aren't being heard.. Wales and Scotland tend to vote the same sort of way.. Whether or not you agree with Labour or the Tories policies, the way things are now with two big parties gives a strong opposition to whichever of them is in power. If Wales goes too, we'll be weaker still. Wales will go to the EU cap in hand and we'll be screwed.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 I put a post up on the 'ships' thread that highlighted my concerns with this.. If Scotland goes, Wales will have a much, weaker voice when it comes to effecting the vote on a national basis and I reckon within the space of 2 or 3 elections we'll be considering our own position when our voices aren't being heard.. Wales and Scotland tend to vote the same sort of way.. Whether or not you agree with Labour or the Tories policies, the way things are now with two big parties gives a strong opposition to whichever of them is in power. If Wales goes too, we'll be weaker still. Wales will go to the EU cap in hand and we'll be screwed.. I agree totally, Mal... Of course it hasn't happened yet but it very well could. Victories are temporary. Defeats are permanent. There ain't no going back after this one... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cammy12 176 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 malt its sounds like your a Scottish labour msp, constantly attacking salmond and the snp, its not about salmond and the snp its about Scotland and its citizens the uk is the 4th most unequal country in the developed world there is poverty in parts of Glasgow that would make grown man cry and is not getting any better and this has been for 30 plus years long before any Scottish government, maybe the sg could make a difference to these people with all the powers of a normal country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tandors 888 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 What about the english voice not being heard. We should have our own parliament aswell 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cammy12 176 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 well start a party that puts the values of the ordinary working man at the forefront of its policy making basically what labour used to stand for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 malt its sounds like your a Scottish labour msp, constantly attacking salmond and the snp, its not about salmond and the snp its about Scotland and its citizens the uk is the 4th most unequal country in the developed world there is poverty in parts of Glasgow that would make grown man cry and is not getting any better and this has been for 30 plus years long before any Scottish government, maybe the sg could make a difference to these people with all the powers of a normal country. I don't like them mate, which other way am I supposed to come across? I genuinely believe Salmond is a bigger danger to the sovereignty of the United Kingdom than Hitler ever was... ...and cities and large towns all over the UK and the rest of the world have areas like the ones you describe in Glasgow to a certain degree, you think they'll disappear if Scotland becomes independant? The quality of life and life expectancy in certain ex industrial areas of Wales are similar to the ones you describe, to give one example.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cammy12 176 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 malt its sounds like your a Scottish labour msp, constantly attacking salmond and the snp, its not about salmond and the snp its about Scotland and its citizens the uk is the 4th most unequal country in the developed world there is poverty in parts of Glasgow that would make grown man cry and is not getting any better and this has been for 30 plus years long before any Scottish government, maybe the sg could make a difference to these people with all the powers of a normal country. I don't like them mate, which other way am I supposed to come across? I genuinely believe Salmond is a bigger danger to the sovereignty of the United Kingdom than Hitler ever was... ...and cities and large towns all over the UK and the rest of the world have areas like the ones you describe in Glasgow to a certain degree, you think they'll disappear if Scotland becomes independant? The quality of life and life expectancy in certain ex industrial areas of Wales are similar to the ones you describe, to give one example.. well if that is not motivation enough to change the status quo then what is? I believe Scotland are lucky to have the opportunity to vote on independence, the possibility's after yes vote are endless, a new simple tax system, a new benefits system, focus investment on these areas of most need choices the Scottish people could choose to make if we had full powers and control over our country. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 malt its sounds like your a Scottish labour msp, constantly attacking salmond and the snp, its not about salmond and the snp its about Scotland and its citizens the uk is the 4th most unequal country in the developed world there is poverty in parts of Glasgow that would make grown man cry and is not getting any better and this has been for 30 plus years long before any Scottish government, maybe the sg could make a difference to these people with all the powers of a normal country. I don't like them mate, which other way am I supposed to come across? I genuinely believe Salmond is a bigger danger to the sovereignty of the United Kingdom than Hitler ever was... ...and cities and large towns all over the UK and the rest of the world have areas like the ones you describe in Glasgow to a certain degree, you think they'll disappear if Scotland becomes independant? The quality of life and life expectancy in certain ex industrial areas of Wales are similar to the ones you describe, to give one example.. well if that is not motivation enough to change the status quo then what is? I believe Scotland are lucky to have the opportunity to vote on independence, the possibility's after yes vote are endless, a new simple tax system, a new benefits system, focus investment on these areas of most need choices the Scottish people could choose to make if we had full powers and control over our country. ..but you won't have though, the EU will.. Salmond's no different to the Scottish knight who handed William Wallace over to the English all those years ago for land and title, I forget his name now.. If he gets his way he wont be Alex Salmond, leader of an independent and free Scotland, he'll be nothing more than Alex Salmond: governor of Scotland, province of the United States of Europe.. You're being blinded to it by nationalism mate.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cammy12 176 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 malt its sounds like your a Scottish labour msp, constantly attacking salmond and the snp, its not about salmond and the snp its about Scotland and its citizens the uk is the 4th most unequal country in the developed world there is poverty in parts of Glasgow that would make grown man cry and is not getting any better and this has been for 30 plus years long before any Scottish government, maybe the sg could make a difference to these people with all the powers of a normal country. I don't like them mate, which other way am I supposed to come across? I genuinely believe Salmond is a bigger danger to the sovereignty of the United Kingdom than Hitler ever was... ...and cities and large towns all over the UK and the rest of the world have areas like the ones you describe in Glasgow to a certain degree, you think they'll disappear if Scotland becomes independant? The quality of life and life expectancy in certain ex industrial areas of Wales are similar to the ones you describe, to give one example.. well if that is not motivation enough to change the status quo then what is? I believe Scotland are lucky to have the opportunity to vote on independence, the possibility's after yes vote are endless, a new simple tax system, a new benefits system, focus investment on these areas of most need choices the Scottish people could choose to make if we had full powers and control over our country. ..but you won't have though, the EU will.. Salmond's no different to the Scottish knight who handed William Wallace over to the English all those years ago for land and title, I forget his name now.. If he gets his way he wont be Alex Salmond, leader of an independent and free Scotland, he'll be nothing more than Alex Salmond: governor of Scotland, province of the United States of Europe.. You're being blinded to it by nationalism mate.. hahahaaha very good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe67 239 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 couple of positive storys from the sunday times union has cost scotland 64bn over 30 years tory austerity pushs scots towards independence http://wingsoverscotland.com/ghosts-in-the-machine/ Rememebr 58 Countries have Declaration Independence from the UK, not one has asked to re join. UK negotiates Scot to bottom of EU's league tables for farm & rural funds & keeps cash EU gave UK for Scot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 couple of positive storys from the sunday times union has cost scotland 64bn over 30 years tory austerity pushs scots towards independence http://wingsoverscotland.com/ghosts-in-the-machine/ Rememebr 58 Countries have Declaration Independence from the UK, not one has asked to re join. UK negotiates Scot to bottom of EU's league tables for farm & rural funds & keeps cash EU gave UK for Scot Scotland isn't ruled by the UK like any other of those countries you mention, they are the UK... Talk about spin, you obviously haven't got a clue about the way the UK works.. No other country has ever split from the UK, they have gained independence from the British Empire but that is/was another thing completely.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe67 239 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 LOL , OK another sunday post: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 No, you rule yourself as part of the UK from Westminster.. You really have been taken in ain't you? Do you know what an elected representative is? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the last person in number 10 elected up in Scotland? ...and the one before that was born in Edinburgh.. Not considering they were offspring of a poor, repressed and occupied country eh? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe67 239 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 and look at the mess scotlands in because of it, time for change malt. change for the better 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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