Rspca To Day

[bigoy19706 276]

i had a nock today from the RSPCA she wonted to see the terriers some one had told them they live in cages never walked and never cleaned out any way this is a total shit

she asked to see them witch was not happening she then told me if she cant see them today she wood come back with the police so off she went sat in the van for 20 mins and then f##k off any way if she come back on her own she will get the same i don't have any think to hide but if i can waste the time i will

[reaper1064 285]

Know how you feel mate, but you've now given the bitch an axe to grind and when she comes back she may be mob handed with the dibbles. May have been less hassle to have proved to her that the allegations were unfounded. As much as it would have been a pain in the arse it may have been wiser in the end.

[rob284 1,679]

Thugs they are. Coming on to your property making threats, some low lifes reporting that just to see the dogs.

[bigoy19706 276]

if she come with the police she can look at the dog no bother there only bushers and ratter so there no probs with her looking at them she was a bit shocked when i told he she was not coming in i bet most people just let them in thinking the have to

[Tiercel 6,986]

If or when she comes back with the police, you cannot stop the police entering your property but you can sure as hell stop her. Tell her the police are allowed in but not her.

 

Edited to add have a read of this.

 

The following has been taken from the Self Help Group for Farmers & Others which was set up after a group of farmers believed they were unreasonably and unfairly ‘targeted’ by the RSPCA. ( http://the-shg.org/index.htm )

Things to remember about the RSPCA.

> The RSPCA is a charity.

> The Inspectorate is NOT a public law enforcement body.

> Society Inspectors have NO special legal powers whatsoever.

> They have NO special powers to arrest offenders.

> They have NO right to enter your home to inspect your animals or to demand that you answer any of their questions.

> They have NO right of access to shows, fairs and markets other than as members of the public, and can only carry out any law enforcement function as an assistant to a police-officer, upon that officer’s request.

> They have NO power to stop, obstruct or otherwise detain any vehicle carrying animals.

> Society’s staff issue criminal proceedings against alleged offenders by way of private prosecution.

> Members of the Inspectorate wear uniforms which make them as much like police officers as the law will allow. They are not. The lowest rank in the Inspectorate is ‘Inspector’ (apart from Trainee Inspectors). Above that they have Chief Inspectors, Superintendent, and Chief Superintendent. None of these ranks are officers of the Crown, and have no legal significance whatsoever. They are designed to impress the public.

What to do if the RSPCA come calling.

You get a knock at the door; you open it. It’s the R.S.P.C.A.

The “officer” may or may not be in uniform but, crucially, the police are not in attendance.

What should you do? Do not panic and do not let the uniform or the attitude intimidate you.

There is a good chance that you will be cautioned using the words “You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you do not now mention something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence”. All this means is that the R.S.P.C.A. officer can now give evidence in court as to what you say.

At this time the R.S.P.C.A. have no powers to arrest you, all they can do is report you for summons. We recommend that you ask “Am I under arrest?” Note their response.

It is very important that you do not allow them entry into your premises.

> They have no rights to be on your property.

> They have no special legal powers.

> They cannot demand entry to look at your animals.

> They cannot demand that you answer questions.

You may feel that you are being helpful to let them in and have a look round and you may feel that you have nothing to hide but do not let yourself be lulled into a false sense of security. Many innocent animal keepers have lost their animals in this way.

If you allow them in you are opening yourself up to problems which could lead to you losing your animals even if you are a good and conscientious keeper.

Be firm, but polite, and do not let them into your house, or other premises. Say “I have been advised not to answer any questions put by, or in the presence of, R.S.P.C.A. officials without a solicitor present. If you wish to question me I must insist that you arrange, and pay for, the police duty solicitor to be present”. Ask them to leave saying “Unless you have lawful authorisation to enter my premises I want you to leave now”.

If they refuse to leave you are entitled to use reasonable force to eject them, as you would any other common trespasser. Do not think that this is the end of the matter – they will probably be back, perhaps with the police. Telephone one of the emergency helpline numbers (at the bottom of this post) and they will do their best to put you in touch with people who can help. They can also advise on how you should now proceed.

The basic advice would be that you need to photograph your animals and your enclosures, invite a trusted friend to look over your stock and conditions or, preferably, get someone whose testimony would carry more weight to look over your animals/pets. It would certainly be a good idea to have a specialist vet check and write you a report. The helpline can put you in touch with expert witnesses and veterinarians and they can also seek legal advice on your behalf.

What do you do if the police attend your premises with the R.S.P.C.A.?

Ask “Do you have a search warrant, or other lawful authority, to enter my premises? Insist on a yes or no answer.

If the answer is no they have no right to demand access don’t let them in and proceed as you would if the R.S.P.C.A. are attending on their own.

Many people feel intimidated when faced with “mob-handed” visits but the law is on your side.

No matter what the R.S.P.C.A. may say to you, do not be tempted to let them in without proper authority.

No legal seizure of your animals can take place unless entry to your premises has taken place with proper authority.

If in any doubt, or you simply want some back-up, call the either of the helpline numbers or get someone to call on your behalf.

If they do have a search warrant ask “May I see and read the search warrant?” Ensure that you read the warrant before they try to enter unless they state it is urgent. It is very important that you don’t to anything to obstruct the police officer(s).

Check to see who is authorised to enter by the warrant. Only allow the persons authorised in the warrant onto your property and insist that any others leave.

Ask for a witness to be allowed in. Get a friend to come over as soon as possible. Call the emergency helpline as soon as you are able and they will try to locate an expert witness in your area to attend. They can also get legal advice for you. The sooner they know you have a problem the sooner they can start acting on your behalf. Once your animals have been seized it can be quite difficult to get them back and they (the helpline) would always try to prevent seizures being carried out.
Ensure that you record the time that any search is initiated and also the time at which it is finished. Record the details of anyone who enters and insist that you see ID cards for anyone in plain clothes.

Remember that anyone not specifically named on the warrant can be told to leave. If they do not leave they are guilty of trespass.

Don’t be bullied, be firm but polite at all times. If you feel the situation is getting out of hand, or you want advice, call the helpline.

With reference to your property (whether it is your animals or any documentation), only the police have the authority to remove items. The R.S.P.C.A. (or any other charity) have absolutely no authority to remove your property (and this includes your animals) without your consent.

If the police want to take things away seek further advice from the helpline immediately. Insist that you are given a full receipt that lists everything in detail (e.g. 75 sheets of paper, 2 notebooks, etc.) do not accept receipts for, for example, “a quantity of correspondence” make sure it is listed in full.

Should your animals be removed by the police you are entitled to inspect them wherever they may have been placed and you are entitled to an independent veterinary inspection, which the R.S.P.C.A. are obliged to pay for.

If you are arrested insist that you speak only to the police and do not answer questions with the R.S.P.C.A. present. Insist that you wish to speak to the duty solicitor and do not make a written statement until you have spoken to the duty solicitor.

The police may have some other authority to enter your premises which means they can go in without a search warrant. They can, for example, enter to arrest you for various offences without your consent. If they use this authority it does not enable anyone else to enter so you can insist that all other persons leave your premises, unless they can give a lawful authority for their being present.

If you are unfortunate enough to be the subject of a raid you may well find yourself overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of people that end up on your doorstep. With police officers, R.S.P.C.A. personnel and members of other charities brought in as consultants or handlers (and last but not least film crews!) you may well be facing a dozen or more people. Thus intimidated, even though you know your rights, you could find yourself pressured into allowing admittance to your house or other premises. Most keepers are law abiding citizens who have been accustomed to cooperating with authority figures and this is what makes you vulnerable.

Perfectly healthy-looking animals have also been removed “for further examination”, never to be returned. Do not be persuaded to sign away your animals, for examination off your premises, or for any other purpose – you will probably not have them returned.

The emergency helpline numbers are 023 8044 0999 or 1470 0870 072 6689

 

TC

Edited August 4, 2013 by tiercel

[Its_grim_up_norf 577]

you do right mate, they think they're law, although the police dont help. Encouraging them almost. Especially with the recent bullshit about them being given access to the PNC.

Edited August 4, 2013 by Its_grim_up_norf

[foresterj 1,096]

Moderators, would it be possible to have Tiercels excellent and informative post pinned?

[Dubba 72]

If or when she comes back with the police, you cannot stop the police entering your property but you can sure as hell stop her. Tell her the police are allowed in but not her.

 

Edited to add have a read of this.

 

The following has been taken from the Self Help Group for Farmers & Others which was set up after a group of farmers believed they were unreasonably and unfairly targeted by the RSPCA. ( http://the-shg.org/index.htm )

 

Things to remember about the RSPCA.

 

> The RSPCA is a charity.

 

> The Inspectorate is NOT a public law enforcement body.

 

> Society Inspectors have NO special legal powers whatsoever.

 

> They have NO special powers to arrest offenders.

 

> They have NO right to enter your home to inspect your animals or to demand that you answer any of their questions.

 

> They have NO right of access to shows, fairs and markets other than as members of the public, and can only carry out any law enforcement function as an assistant to a police-officer, upon that officers request.

 

> They have NO power to stop, obstruct or otherwise detain any vehicle carrying animals.

 

> Societys staff issue criminal proceedings against alleged offenders by way of private prosecution.

 

> Members of the Inspectorate wear uniforms which make them as much like police officers as the law will allow. They are not. The lowest rank in the Inspectorate is Inspector (apart from Trainee Inspectors). Above that they have Chief Inspectors, Superintendent, and Chief Superintendent. None of these ranks are officers of the Crown, and have no legal significance whatsoever. They are designed to impress the public.

 

What to do if the RSPCA come calling.

 

You get a knock at the door; you open it. Its the R.S.P.C.A.

 

The officer may or may not be in uniform but, crucially, the police are not in attendance.

 

What should you do? Do not panic and do not let the uniform or the attitude intimidate you.

 

There is a good chance that you will be cautioned using the words You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you do not now mention something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. All this means is that the R.S.P.C.A. officer can now give evidence in court as to what you say.

 

At this time the R.S.P.C.A. have no powers to arrest you, all they can do is report you for summons. We recommend that you ask Am I under arrest? Note their response.

 

It is very important that you do not allow them entry into your premises.

 

> They have no rights to be on your property.

 

> They have no special legal powers.

 

> They cannot demand entry to look at your animals.

 

> They cannot demand that you answer questions.

 

You may feel that you are being helpful to let them in and have a look round and you may feel that you have nothing to hide but do not let yourself be lulled into a false sense of security. Many innocent animal keepers have lost their animals in this way.

 

If you allow them in you are opening yourself up to problems which could lead to you losing your animals even if you are a good and conscientious keeper.

 

Be firm, but polite, and do not let them into your house, or other premises. Say I have been advised not to answer any questions put by, or in the presence of, R.S.P.C.A. officials without a solicitor present. If you wish to question me I must insist that you arrange, and pay for, the police duty solicitor to be present. Ask them to leave saying Unless you have lawful authorisation to enter my premises I want you to leave now.

 

If they refuse to leave you are entitled to use reasonable force to eject them, as you would any other common trespasser. Do not think that this is the end of the matter they will probably be back, perhaps with the police. Telephone one of the emergency helpline numbers (at the bottom of this post) and they will do their best to put you in touch with people who can help. They can also advise on how you should now proceed.

 

The basic advice would be that you need to photograph your animals and your enclosures, invite a trusted friend to look over your stock and conditions or, preferably, get someone whose testimony would carry more weight to look over your animals/pets. It would certainly be a good idea to have a specialist vet check and write you a report. The helpline can put you in touch with expert witnesses and veterinarians and they can also seek legal advice on your behalf.

 

What do you do if the police attend your premises with the R.S.P.C.A.?

 

Ask Do you have a search warrant, or other lawful authority, to enter my premises? Insist on a yes or no answer.

 

If the answer is no they have no right to demand access dont let them in and proceed as you would if the R.S.P.C.A. are attending on their own.

 

Many people feel intimidated when faced with mob-handed visits but the law is on your side.

 

No matter what the R.S.P.C.A. may say to you, do not be tempted to let them in without proper authority.

 

No legal seizure of your animals can take place unless entry to your premises has taken place with proper authority.

 

If in any doubt, or you simply want some back-up, call the either of the helpline numbers or get someone to call on your behalf.

 

If they do have a search warrant ask May I see and read the search warrant? Ensure that you read the warrant before they try to enter unless they state it is urgent. It is very important that you dont to anything to obstruct the police officer(s).

 

Check to see who is authorised to enter by the warrant. Only allow the persons authorised in the warrant onto your property and insist that any others leave.

 

Ask for a witness to be allowed in. Get a friend to come over as soon as possible. Call the emergency helpline as soon as you are able and they will try to locate an expert witness in your area to attend. They can also get legal advice for you. The sooner they know you have a problem the sooner they can start acting on your behalf. Once your animals have been seized it can be quite difficult to get them back and they (the helpline) would always try to prevent seizures being carried out.

Ensure that you record the time that any search is initiated and also the time at which it is finished. Record the details of anyone who enters and insist that you see ID cards for anyone in plain clothes.

 

Remember that anyone not specifically named on the warrant can be told to leave. If they do not leave they are guilty of trespass.

 

Dont be bullied, be firm but polite at all times. If you feel the situation is getting out of hand, or you want advice, call the helpline.

 

With reference to your property (whether it is your animals or any documentation), only the police have the authority to remove items. The R.S.P.C.A. (or any other charity) have absolutely no authority to remove your property (and this includes your animals) without your consent.

 

If the police want to take things away seek further advice from the helpline immediately. Insist that you are given a full receipt that lists everything in detail (e.g. 75 sheets of paper, 2 notebooks, etc.) do not accept receipts for, for example, a quantity of correspondence make sure it is listed in full.

 

Should your animals be removed by the police you are entitled to inspect them wherever they may have been placed and you are entitled to an independent veterinary inspection, which the R.S.P.C.A. are obliged to pay for.

 

If you are arrested insist that you speak only to the police and do not answer questions with the R.S.P.C.A. present. Insist that you wish to speak to the duty solicitor and do not make a written statement until you have spoken to the duty solicitor.

 

The police may have some other authority to enter your premises which means they can go in without a search warrant. They can, for example, enter to arrest you for various offences without your consent. If they use this authority it does not enable anyone else to enter so you can insist that all other persons leave your premises, unless they can give a lawful authority for their being present.

 

If you are unfortunate enough to be the subject of a raid you may well find yourself overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of people that end up on your doorstep. With police officers, R.S.P.C.A. personnel and members of other charities brought in as consultants or handlers (and last but not least film crews!) you may well be facing a dozen or more people. Thus intimidated, even though you know your rights, you could find yourself pressured into allowing admittance to your house or other premises. Most keepers are law abiding citizens who have been accustomed to cooperating with authority figures and this is what makes you vulnerable.

 

Perfectly healthy-looking animals have also been removed for further examination, never to be returned. Do not be persuaded to sign away your animals, for examination off your premises, or for any other purpose you will probably not have them returned.

 

The emergency helpline numbers are 023 8044 0999 or 1470 0870 072 6689

 

TC

Great response great advice this could do with being pinned

[talt 878]

I quite possibly could be wrong, but surely the police should only be there to prevent a breach of the peace, and be impartial ( although i know from experience that they are not ). She would have to get a search warrant, and would have to have a good reason to get one, i would have thought. If i was to guess, she might try to bully and harass you a bit first, but remember you do not have to answer your door to anyone, in fact the police tell everyone not to answer the door to cold callers. The best bet would be to ring someone like Clive Rees for some advice, fore warned is fore armed, so to speak. I wish i could be of more help buddy. ATB

[3175darren 1,093]

Give them nothing,they take too many liberties,I know I might not do myself any good, but to me its the principle of it,I too have nothing to hide,but wont give idiots /chocolate bobbies the time of day, happy to assist a officer of the law conduct his duties,where need's be,but that's it,

[jonah. 775]

good luck with the re-visit bigoy, its sure to come.

great post Tiercel , that really does need pinning .

ATB

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

If or when she comes back with the police, you cannot stop the police entering your property but you can sure as hell stop her. Tell her the police are allowed in but not her.

 

Edited to add have a read of this.

 

The following has been taken from the Self Help Group for Farmers & Others which was set up after a group of farmers believed they were unreasonably and unfairly targeted by the RSPCA. ( http://the-shg.org/index.htm )Things to remember about the RSPCA.

> The RSPCA is a charity.

> The Inspectorate is NOT a public law enforcement body.

> Society Inspectors have NO special legal powers whatsoever.

> They have NO special powers to arrest offenders.

> They have NO right to enter your home to inspect your animals or to demand that you answer any of their questions.

> They have NO right of access to shows, fairs and markets other than as members of the public, and can only carry out any law enforcement function as an assistant to a police-officer, upon that officers request.

> They have NO power to stop, obstruct or otherwise detain any vehicle carrying animals.

> Societys staff issue criminal proceedings against alleged offenders by way of private prosecution.

> Members of the Inspectorate wear uniforms which make them as much like police officers as the law will allow. They are not. The lowest rank in the Inspectorate is Inspector (apart from Trainee Inspectors). Above that they have Chief Inspectors, Superintendent, and Chief Superintendent. None of these ranks are officers of the Crown, and have no legal significance whatsoever. They are designed to impress the public.What to do if the RSPCA come calling.

You get a knock at the door; you open it. Its the R.S.P.C.A.

The officer may or may not be in uniform but, crucially, the police are not in attendance.

What should you do? Do not panic and do not let the uniform or the attitude intimidate you.

There is a good chance that you will be cautioned using the words You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you do not now mention something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. All this means is that the R.S.P.C.A. officer can now give evidence in court as to what you say.

At this time the R.S.P.C.A. have no powers to arrest you, all they can do is report you for summons. We recommend that you ask Am I under arrest? Note their response.

It is very important that you do not allow them entry into your premises.

> They have no rights to be on your property.

 

> They have no special legal powers.

 

> They cannot demand entry to look at your animals.

 

> They cannot demand that you answer questions.

You may feel that you are being helpful to let them in and have a look round and you may feel that you have nothing to hide but do not let yourself be lulled into a false sense of security. Many innocent animal keepers have lost their animals in this way.

If you allow them in you are opening yourself up to problems which could lead to you losing your animals even if you are a good and conscientious keeper.

Be firm, but polite, and do not let them into your house, or other premises. Say I have been advised not to answer any questions put by, or in the presence of, R.S.P.C.A. officials without a solicitor present. If you wish to question me I must insist that you arrange, and pay for, the police duty solicitor to be present. Ask them to leave saying Unless you have lawful authorisation to enter my premises I want you to leave now.

If they refuse to leave you are entitled to use reasonable force to eject them, as you would any other common trespasser. Do not think that this is the end of the matter they will probably be back, perhaps with the police. Telephone one of the emergency helpline numbers (at the bottom of this post) and they will do their best to put you in touch with people who can help. They can also advise on how you should now proceed.

The basic advice would be that you need to photograph your animals and your enclosures, invite a trusted friend to look over your stock and conditions or, preferably, get someone whose testimony would carry more weight to look over your animals/pets. It would certainly be a good idea to have a specialist vet check and write you a report. The helpline can put you in touch with expert witnesses and veterinarians and they can also seek legal advice on your behalf.

What do you do if the police attend your premises with the R.S.P.C.A.?

Ask Do you have a search warrant, or other lawful authority, to enter my premises? Insist on a yes or no answer.

If the answer is no they have no right to demand access dont let them in and proceed as you would if the R.S.P.C.A. are attending on their own.

Many people feel intimidated when faced with mob-handed visits but the law is on your side.

No matter what the R.S.P.C.A. may say to you, do not be tempted to let them in without proper authority.

No legal seizure of your animals can take place unless entry to your premises has taken place with proper authority.

If in any doubt, or you simply want some back-up, call the either of the helpline numbers or get someone to call on your behalf.

If they do have a search warrant ask May I see and read the search warrant? Ensure that you read the warrant before they try to enter unless they state it is urgent. It is very important that you dont to anything to obstruct the police officer(s).

Check to see who is authorised to enter by the warrant. Only allow the persons authorised in the warrant onto your property and insist that any others leave.

Ask for a witness to be allowed in. Get a friend to come over as soon as possible. Call the emergency helpline as soon as you are able and they will try to locate an expert witness in your area to attend. They can also get legal advice for you. The sooner they know you have a problem the sooner they can start acting on your behalf. Once your animals have been seized it can be quite difficult to get them back and they (the helpline) would always try to prevent seizures being carried out.

Ensure that you record the time that any search is initiated and also the time at which it is finished. Record the details of anyone who enters and insist that you see ID cards for anyone in plain clothes.

Remember that anyone not specifically named on the warrant can be told to leave. If they do not leave they are guilty of trespass.

Dont be bullied, be firm but polite at all times. If you feel the situation is getting out of hand, or you want advice, call the helpline.

With reference to your property (whether it is your animals or any documentation), only the police have the authority to remove items. The R.S.P.C.A. (or any other charity) have absolutely no authority to remove your property (and this includes your animals) without your consent.

If the police want to take things away seek further advice from the helpline immediately. Insist that you are given a full receipt that lists everything in detail (e.g. 75 sheets of paper, 2 notebooks, etc.) do not accept receipts for, for example, a quantity of correspondence make sure it is listed in full.

Should your animals be removed by the police you are entitled to inspect them wherever they may have been placed and you are entitled to an independent veterinary inspection, which the R.S.P.C.A. are obliged to pay for.

If you are arrested insist that you speak only to the police and do not answer questions with the R.S.P.C.A. present. Insist that you wish to speak to the duty solicitor and do not make a written statement until you have spoken to the duty solicitor.

The police may have some other authority to enter your premises which means they can go in without a search warrant. They can, for example, enter to arrest you for various offences without your consent. If they use this authority it does not enable anyone else to enter so you can insist that all other persons leave your premises, unless they can give a lawful authority for their being present.

If you are unfortunate enough to be the subject of a raid you may well find yourself overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of people that end up on your doorstep. With police officers, R.S.P.C.A. personnel and members of other charities brought in as consultants or handlers (and last but not least film crews!) you may well be facing a dozen or more people. Thus intimidated, even though you know your rights, you could find yourself pressured into allowing admittance to your house or other premises. Most keepers are law abiding citizens who have been accustomed to cooperating with authority figures and this is what makes you vulnerable.

Perfectly healthy-looking animals have also been removed for further examination, never to be returned. Do not be persuaded to sign away your animals, for examination off your premises, or for any other purpose you will probably not have them returned.

The emergency helpline numbers are 023 8044 0999 or 1470 0870 072 6689

 

TC

Great response great advice this could do with being pinned

better still. Print it off and keep a copy handy

[rob190364 2,593]

Know how you feel mate, but you've now given the bitch an axe to grind and when she comes back she may be mob handed with the dibbles. May have been less hassle to have proved to her that the allegations were unfounded. As much as it would have been a pain in the arse it may have been wiser in the end.

quick question for you....if a known anti knocked on your door and said you have to let him/her see your animals, would you just let them in and show them your animals?

 

I would guess no, you'd tell them to f'ck off, surely?

 

....well that's exactly what happened. Wearing a uniform doesn't make them anything other than the above.

[Its_grim_up_norf 577]

http://www.amazon.com/High-Cotton-Doormat-Come-Warrant/dp/B00020O572

 

^^ As my doormat says....missis isnt too keen like haha! but it saves me saying it

[The one 8,400]

If its private property even the police need a search warrant or the equivalent ? they cant just come in