dam and sire, which is most important?

[Romany 1,065]

An old saying, a kennel is only as strong as its bitches..

[lurcher330 2,301]

An old saying, a kennel is only as strong as its bitches..

Thats true but you would still look for the best dog you could get to mate to them,

[Romany 1,065]

An old saying, a kennel is only as strong as its bitches..

Thats true but you would still look for the best dog you could get to mate to them,

 

Well you would think so

[Lurcher88 51]

How tall would you experience lads recon my beddy whippet x greyhound will grow to? He's currently 9 month old and is 20.5" tts.

[Guest thebigdog]

How tall would you experience lads recon my beddy whippet x greyhound will grow to? He's currently 9 month old and is 20.5" tts.

 

6 foot at least

[chartpolski 27,420]

"Dam & Sire, which is more important" ? Bit of a daft question, in my opinion. Would you use a shit sire..... or a shit dam ? Of course not; you would try to use the best sire and dam available !! I don't believe this "80/20" theory in dogs. I suspect the pups get 50% of there genes from each parent, but of course their looks and physical attributes can throw to either parent, but they will still carry the same genes wether one pup throws to, say, the collie side, and another throws to the greyhound side.

 

Cheers.

[Guest thebigdog]

"Dam & Sire, which is more important" ? Bit of a daft question, in my opinion. Would you use a shit sire..... or a shit dam ? Of course not; you would try to use the best sire and dam available !! I don't believe this "80/20" theory in dogs. I suspect the pups get 50% of there genes from each parent, but of course their looks and physical attributes can throw to either parent, but they will still carry the same genes wether one pup throws to, say, the collie side, and another throws to the greyhound side.

 

Cheers.

 

afraid thats not how genetics work, if genes were passed 50/50, any hereditary health problem present in a line would effect every pup in every litter, this isn't so.

it would be impossible to do this with 50/50 genes. genetics are random in their distribution, one pup can carry 90%(or any other percentage) of the dams genes while another can carry 90%(or any other percentage)of the sires genes

[chartpolski 27,420]

"Dam & Sire, which is more important" ? Bit of a daft question, in my opinion. Would you use a shit sire..... or a shit dam ? Of course not; you would try to use the best sire and dam available !! I don't believe this "80/20" theory in dogs. I suspect the pups get 50% of there genes from each parent, but of course their looks and physical attributes can throw to either parent, but they will still carry the same genes wether one pup throws to, say, the collie side, and another throws to the greyhound side.

 

Cheers.

 

afraid thats not how genetics work, if genes were passed 50/50, any hereditary health problem present in a line would effect every pup in every litter, this isn't so.

it would be impossible to do this with 50/50 genes. genetics are random in their distribution, one pup can carry 90%(or any other percentage) of the dams genes while another can carry 90%(or any other percentage)of the sires genes

 

Well; Geneomics is way above my pay grade, and if you are right, and my 50/50 split is wrong; then I must be right in saying the 80/20 split is also wrong, (I'm sure Pareto's Law doesn't apply to geneomics) ?

 

Cheers.

[Guest thebigdog]

"Dam & Sire, which is more important" ? Bit of a daft question, in my opinion. Would you use a shit sire..... or a shit dam ? Of course not; you would try to use the best sire and dam available !! I don't believe this "80/20" theory in dogs. I suspect the pups get 50% of there genes from each parent, but of course their looks and physical attributes can throw to either parent, but they will still carry the same genes wether one pup throws to, say, the collie side, and another throws to the greyhound side.

 

Cheers.

 

afraid thats not how genetics work, if genes were passed 50/50, any hereditary health problem present in a line would effect every pup in every litter, this isn't so.

it would be impossible to do this with 50/50 genes. genetics are random in their distribution, one pup can carry 90%(or any other percentage) of the dams genes while another can carry 90%(or any other percentage)of the sires genes

 

Well; Geneomics is way above my pay grade, and if you are right, and my 50/50 split is wrong; then I must be right in saying the 80/20 split is also wrong, (I'm sure Pareto's Law doesn't apply to geneomics) ?

 

Cheers.

 

yes your right. there's no rhyme or reason to it, the genes go where they go.

[artful212 394]

i was always lead to believe the bitch puts more into the pups .

in breeding a litter im sure everyone tries to get the best dog that suits them

[Chid 6,759]

when breeding 1st cross, you usually put your herding/bull etc over the greyhound.

i've heard various reasons for this, i.e they'll be taller (? lol), easier for bitch to carry and for birth.

 

but when breeding 2nd,3rd,4th etc crosses, is it the same story/weird theories, when selecting a dog to serve or be served. if you have a specific type or trait that your trying to get.

reason people say put the non runner over the grey , is because 9/10 times the grey will be free ...

imo most 1st crosses will level out at a similar size no matter which way round there bred ..

 

when breeding any further generations or breeding lurcher x lurcher i think you should be looking at a similar type sire and dam and similar sizes to lessan the chance of litter wastage .. or always go bigger with the sire well thats what id do any way but what do i know

[bigdaz 688]

An old saying, a kennel is only as strong as its bitches..

 

Another old saying, your stud dog is half your kennel.

[morton 5,369]

An old saying, a kennel is only as strong as its bitches..

Thats true but you would still look for the best dog you could get to mate to them,

Its not always the best dog that produces the goods,its often the dog that best suits the bitch.

[dai dogs 1,960]

The breeding i did was breed a dog and bitch that knew how to do the job and could do it very well.

plus they were full brother and sister.

If the pups turn out like ether of the parents they will do me.

[moonlighter 1,165]

Your all going way too deep. The question he asked was regarding first crosses and does it matter which way round they are bred. It would be interesting to hear of someone who has bred both ways.