RossM 7,979 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Positive there was someone posted a thread of calzaghe ferreting on here a few years ago? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TUFFTY 1,476 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 calzaghe with his perfect record ducked and dodged everyone good until they where old and nackerd,like the 39 year old roy jones jr and am sure hopkins was finished by the time calzaghe fought him Careful mate your not supposed to say things like that this is British sport we,re talking about................the only nation in the world who treats sportsmen like a reality tv show !.............Hatton,Gascoigne,O Sullivan................some of the most popular sportsmen of recent times......all loveable rogue,boy next door types...........all undisciplined,out of control fools who disrespected their sports and got away with it due to their " popularity ".......only in Britain is drinking yourself silly,shoving burgers in your face and losing your mind seen as a good thing, because we can " relate " to them !!!!.....what does that say about British culture and sport..............how otherwise intelligent people can fall for it amazes me..................................Calzaghe might of been more obssessed with an unbeaten record than fighting and beating the best..................but at least he lived the athletes life,but then maybe thats why he,s not that popular !!.....strange reversed psycology we have to sport in this country. Its not only sport.Its in all the money industrys mate look at the music industry for instance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 calzaghe with his perfect record ducked and dodged everyone good until they where old and nackerd,like the 39 year old roy jones jr and am sure hopkins was finished by the time calzaghe fought him,and i didnt like his slapping style of fighting either. Yeah Hopkins was finished, even though he went on to win a light heavyweight world title a few fights later... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,754 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) calzaghe with his perfect record ducked and dodged everyone good until they where old and nackerd,like the 39 year old roy jones jr and am sure hopkins was finished by the time calzaghe fought him,and i didnt like his slapping style of fighting either. Yeah Hopkins was finished, even though he went on to win a light heavyweight world title a few fights later... Even Calzaghe couldnt see into the future Malt......fighting and beating 2 great fighters of their generation in their prime is a brilliant accomplishment...............waiting until they are 40 odd years old cannot be seen in the same light...............theres every chance he could of beat them in their prime,but sadly nobody will ever know. Likewise would Hatton of beat Tszyu or Castillo in their prime instead of right at the end of their careers......doubtful looking back......timing of fights is often an art Edited November 26, 2012 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 calzaghe with his perfect record ducked and dodged everyone good until they where old and nackerd,like the 39 year old roy jones jr and am sure hopkins was finished by the time calzaghe fought him,and i didnt like his slapping style of fighting either. Yeah Hopkins was finished, even though he went on to win a light heavyweight world title a few fights later... Even Calzaghe couldnt see into the future Malt......fighting and beating 2 great fighters of their generation in their prime is a brilliant accomplishment...............waiting until they are 40 odd years old cannot be seen in the same light...............theres every chance he could of beat them in their prime,but sadly nobody will ever know. Likewise would Hatton of beat Tszyu or Castillo in their prime instead of right at the end of their careers......doubtful looking back......timing of fights is often an art Gnash we've had this conversation before mate and I know your stance on it, but Calzaghe was a world champ too and they both knew where he was.. I don't recall either of them calling Joe out with any real enthusiam, they were in no rush to face him here or there.. I know you feel a fighter needs to go to the US to prove himself at the very highest level, but if either of them really wanted him over there to prove themselves against him, they didn't seem to make any real effort to try making it happen.. You could look at it two ways - either they didn't see him as a big enough fish or they didnt fancy facing an awkward fighter with quick hands.. I say this with tounge in cheek mate, but sometimes I think you'd have a very different opinion of Joe if he was a fighter who came through one of the London gyms instead of being trained by his old man in a little place in the valleys with no real pedigree or history behind it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stealthy1 3,964 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I cant see how Calzaghe ducked anyone, if he had ducked the mandatory fights he would have been stripped of his titles, you can only fight the best of the bunch that were around at the time, Calzaghe retired at 36, which aint young for a boxer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MOO 730 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 gnasher ricky hatton didnt put bums on seats and fill arena all over the world because he liked a fry up and a pint of guniness 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd17586 454 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Imo ricky hatton was a decent boxer but just didnt have it in him like mayweather.but tbh calazaghe was one of the all time greats in his division.people saying saying he ducked out of fights these lads never challenged him while world champion.next ye,ll be sqying david haye is gona knock out klitchkos in his dreams lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
seamlfc00 5 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 calzaghe with his perfect record ducked and dodged everyone good until they where old and nackerd,like the 39 year old roy jones jr and am sure hopkins was finished by the time calzaghe fought him,and i didnt like his slapping style of fighting either. Yeah Hopkins was finished, even though he went on to win a light heavyweight world title a few fights later... Yea a think hopkins beat the mighty jean pascal on points a few years later to win the wbc belt, lost couple more fights after that then retired. Dont think im a calzaghie hater cos am not ,but certain people rate him higher than what he actually was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,754 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) I say this with tounge in cheek mate, but sometimes I think you'd have a very different opinion of Joe if he was a fighter who came through one of the London gyms instead of being trained by his old man in a little place in the valleys with no real pedigree or history behind it! You dont need to say it tongue in cheek mate i accept im probably a touch biased towards East End fighters....but im not completely blinkered.......... What you need to remember is Calzaghe held the WBO title,by far the least prestigious of the belts......why didnt he want to unify the belts ?......as a " world " champion you should face the world anywhere in the world.............like you say we,ve probably had the conversation before so no need going over old ground......but who do you think is better known WORLDWIDE in the boxing world Joe Calzaghe or Roy Jones ?........kind of tells its own story when Calzaghe beat him in a fight and was unbeaten in his career Edited November 27, 2012 by gnasher16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,754 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 gnasher ricky hatton didnt put bums on seats and fill arena all over the world because he liked a fry up and a pint of guniness What was it then ? ................If it wasnt for the " boy next door "........" one of the lads " popularity contest thing........then what was it ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I say this with tounge in cheek mate, but sometimes I think you'd have a very different opinion of Joe if he was a fighter who came through one of the London gyms instead of being trained by his old man in a little place in the valleys with no real pedigree or history behind it! You dont need to say it tongue in cheek mate i accept im probably a touch biased towards East End fighters....but im not completely blinkered.......... What you need to remember is Calzaghe held the WBO title,by far the least prestigious of the belts......why didnt he want to unify the belts ?......as a " world " champion you should face the world anywhere in the world.............like you say we,ve probably had the conversation before so no need going over old ground......but who do you think is better known WORLDWIDE in the boxing world Joe Calzaghe or Roy Jones ?........kind of tells its own story when Calzaghe beat him in a fight and was unbeaten in his career Nothing wrong with a bit of bias mate, shows you're proud of your area and your roots! I'm exactly the same where Calzaghe is concerned, he can do no wrong in my eyes! It don't really matter to me if Jones was the better fighter because at the end of the day. he ain't Welsh! He has got a Welsh surname though,wonder if we can lay any claim to him.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I say this with tounge in cheek mate, but sometimes I think you'd have a very different opinion of Joe if he was a fighter who came through one of the London gyms instead of being trained by his old man in a little place in the valleys with no real pedigree or history behind it! You dont need to say it tongue in cheek mate i accept im probably a touch biased towards East End fighters....but im not completely blinkered.......... What you need to remember is Calzaghe held the WBO title,by far the least prestigious of the belts......why didnt he want to unify the belts ?......as a " world " champion you should face the world anywhere in the world.............like you say we,ve probably had the conversation before so no need going over old ground......but who do you think is better known WORLDWIDE in the boxing world Joe Calzaghe or Roy Jones ?........kind of tells its own story when Calzaghe beat him in a fight and was unbeaten in his career Nothing wrong with a bit of bias mate, shows you're proud of your area and your roots! I'm exactly the same where Calzaghe is concerned, he can do no wrong in my eyes! It don't really matter to me if Jones was the better fighter because at the end of the day. he ain't Welsh! He has got a Welsh surname though,wonder if we can lay any claim to him.... cant really lay claim to a "calzaghe" tho can you........... saying he is welsh is like saying kahn is english................... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 actually turns out he is english anyway malt......... "Calzaghe was born in Hammersmith, London, to Sardinian father Enzo Calzaghe and his Welsh mother Jackie.[9] The family moved to Wales when he was two years old" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I say this with tounge in cheek mate, but sometimes I think you'd have a very different opinion of Joe if he was a fighter who came through one of the London gyms instead of being trained by his old man in a little place in the valleys with no real pedigree or history behind it! You dont need to say it tongue in cheek mate i accept im probably a touch biased towards East End fighters....but im not completely blinkered.......... What you need to remember is Calzaghe held the WBO title,by far the least prestigious of the belts......why didnt he want to unify the belts ?......as a " world " champion you should face the world anywhere in the world.............like you say we,ve probably had the conversation before so no need going over old ground......but who do you think is better known WORLDWIDE in the boxing world Joe Calzaghe or Roy Jones ?........kind of tells its own story when Calzaghe beat him in a fight and was unbeaten in his career Nothing wrong with a bit of bias mate, shows you're proud of your area and your roots! I'm exactly the same where Calzaghe is concerned, he can do no wrong in my eyes! It don't really matter to me if Jones was the better fighter because at the end of the day. he ain't Welsh! He has got a Welsh surname though,wonder if we can lay any claim to him.... cant really lay claim to a "calzaghe" tho can you........... saying he is welsh is like saying kahn is english................... a dog born in a stable is still a bloody dog ain't it? You try telling him he ain't welsh if you ever bump into him but get a mate to film it because I reckon the outcome would be fecking hilarious! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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