Ideation 8,217 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I agree with whats been said, at the end of the day there was a 2 way contract, which the government are now going back on. Doctors spend a lot of time and money training, and its a VERY stressful profession at times. A lot rests on their shoulders. It's a classic tactic, f**k over the working classes as much as you can, and then get them hating on the middle and upper classes, instead of those that fecked them over. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,721 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) If folk had to pay to see a GP instead of all these dopy c**ts who are sat down there at the first sign of a runny nose, or a bumped big toe or the slightest ache or pain it would free up GPs to spend more time on people who actually need it, do a better job and have a lot less on their plate. Thus they would work less and provide a better service......so they wouldn't have to feel bad about having to contribute more Money into their pension instead of me having to do it! Edited June 21, 2012 by WILF 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Could you live on the average doctors wage salary 114k and pension 48k them and cope with having to retire at 68 ATB Cookie dont know what your laughing at , but i would say they deserve it..................... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,217 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 If folk had to pay to see a GP instead of all these dopy c**ts who are sat down there at the first sign of a runny nose, or a bumped big toe or the slightest ache or pain it would free up GPs to spend more time on people who actually need it, do a better job and have a lot less on their plate. Thus they would work less and provide a better service......so they wouldn't have to feel bad about having to contribute more Money into their pension instead of me having to do it! Aye, abolish the national health . . . . that's progress! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,721 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I would get rid of it tomorrow if I had my way, it's an out of control monster that frankly isn't very good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,217 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I would get rid of it tomorrow if I had my way, it's an out of control monster that frankly isn't very good. I agree on both the fact that it is out of control, and that it's not very good. However, i don't like the idea of ending up like the states. Free medical care is a brilliant thing, it's just a shame so many folk abuse it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,721 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I would get rid of it tomorrow if I had my way, it's an out of control monster that frankly isn't very good. I agree on both the fact that it is out of control, and that it's not very good. However, i don't like the idea of ending up like the states. Free medical care is a brilliant thing, it's just a shame so many folk abuse it. I agree mate, the theory is fantastic and I am all for the most vulnerable people having access to free health care......but as with most nationalised industry's the service is shite. If the NHS was a carpentry service and your door fell off they would say " wait 3 weeks and see if it sorts it's self out" ???.....then they would come round 3 times and tinker with it so that it fell off a few more times.....then they would finally patch it up but only put two screws in each hinge so that you got the same problem again in 6 months time!! How much does all this shite service waste? If you paid for a private carpenter, they would fix your door same day and make a brilliant job of it...end of, pay once and job done! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxfan 479 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 The National Health is brilliant, but, imo its being run into the ground intentionaly so that it can be disbanded/privatised, like everything else that successive generations have paid taxes to build up. Most GP,s are private and sub contract to the NHS, some are retiring on over 100 grand a year. Dont seem right to me. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9026822/Retired-GP-on-140000-a-year-pension.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I must say even though most of my views are anti establishment, the NHS is brilliant in terms of walk in and get free treatment. Compare this to Greece where it currently costs about 100 euros to get a doctors appointment in hospital. Having said that, I've been told by 2 very experienced paramedics that the NHS has degenerated, as so many of our institutions have, into a money making conglomerate, concerned with profit margins rather that patient treatment and aftercare, and headed by 'Headhunted' twats who've been to uni, went straight into management, and pissed off every subordinate on their way to the top whilst fiddling numbers at the end of every quarter. Not to mention the obscene bonuses they collect whilst there aren't enough beds for the needy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Keswick 119 Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 I have nothing against doctors or nurses or anyone that works in the nhs, they all do a stand up job and should be respected. However gp’s are very well paid for what they do and in the current climate why should they not take a part of the cutback pie? It appears to me that those in public sector work are very happy to take high wages and high pensions and keep quiet about it when the going is good, but when everyone is struggling to make a living they are the first to go on strike in their disgust about their unfair treatment. I suggest they take redundancy and start up their own business and try and make a living. Most of the other wage payers are privately owned companies that take all the risks but get nothing owed to them in return. In this regard I have no sympathy for doctors, they are highly paid and should take a hit just like the rest of the nation. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattydski 560 Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 as with all proffesions, some are worth it, some aren't My mums doctor is fantastic.. My uncles deserves to be burnt at the stake...... His best freind (90 y.o) rang at 6 in the morning, wife unwell, doctors says he will be out in the morning... when actually he had a day off..... best friends wife dies at 9.00 .... doctor refuses to come out when police ring as a sudden death.. unbelievable ! What did you expect the doctor to do to the dead person? Come out before she was dead??? Maybe it was a treatable condition. Maybe not commit to coming out, when he had no intention of coming out in the morning because he was on holiday and palmed off a 90 year old man? Maybe show some care for an elderly patient and her family that had died.? The police that attended the scene were obviously not up to date with current law, because they insisted a doctor attend from another practise...... Or maybe my views on patient care, family doctor principals, and down right moral values are somewhat outdated..... ?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 What I don't get is, as someone said, they pay say 25% of their wage to their pension. Now if they are cutting their pension say by 10%, surely they will cut the amount they pay into it by a similar percentage? And the money they don't pay into the pension they can pay it into a private pension if they want. Sorry if I appear thick lol, I don't have a pension scheme being self employed plus there is no f*****g way I'll live to pension age Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Could you live on the average doctors wage salary 114k and pension 48k them and cope with having to retire at 68 ATB Cookie dont know what your laughing at , but i would say they deserve it..................... I am laughing at the fact some of them think that having a stressful job and having to work to 68 is wrong most of the population will work beyond that on less pay . There are harder more stressful jobs with fair less pay and more stress so thinking that the average person will have lost sleep over there working conditions is laughable. I am not saying that they are not worth 114k plus 48k pension just I dont think there the change in condtions warrants striking . Yes there two way contract has changed from the oringnal but contracts change we can not have staff hold current goverments to deals agreed 10/20 years ago. When I started paying my tax it was agreed I would retire at 65 which will change to more like 70 if not more . Yes they spend a huge amount of there younger life trainning but the outlay is fair outweighed by the income return in the end . If you do the numbers of doctors wages over the average working life they could save enough of there income to retire before there fruiation of there pension scheme if they find the doctors job to stressful and work in tescos shelf stacking on the min wage. ATB Cookie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tegater 789 Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 What I don't get is, as someone said, they pay say 25% of their wage to their pension. Now if they are cutting their pension say by 10%, surely they will cut the amount they pay into it by a similar percentage? And the money they don't pay into the pension they can pay it into a private pension if they want. Sorry if I appear thick lol, I don't have a pension scheme being self employed plus there is no f*****g way I'll live to pension age That's the point BAW, many are being asked to pay more, for the same return, but after more years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Aww right, cheers. But pension funds are in a fluctuate market aren't they? Bit like those interest only mortgages that everyone got stung with. Maybe just like them the markets change. Everyone has a right to take whatever action they are allowed if their working conditions change, doctors are no different. As for public opinion, I heard one yesterday say they aren't interested in it and quite right too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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