Saluki x pup testing my patience!!

[MrsChamp606 553]

he got raw and cooked pork skin from the butchers she liked both, will pass your regards on to dom

Cheers mate

[MrsChamp606 553]

My Saluki X is the same age. She tests my patience too!

 

Her recall is spot on when it's just me and her... It's brilliant, but if she see's or even hears another dog/person she runs off and there is no stopping her. It's really frustrating. She just loves to play and nothing I do makes her come back. I have to run after her after screaming for her to come back looking like someone that can't control a dog. But I can!

 

I'm using different methods and she is slowly getting there.

Yeah I think persistence and patience is the key!

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

Hi guys!

My butch pup Darla was 9 months old yesterday and I'm not sure whether it is her adolescent teenage streak / the amount of saluki in her or the fresh scents from loads and loads

Of young bunnies popping about during the mornings but she is really testing me with regards to recall.

I have been really concentrating on our bond and using treats to train her on sit,stay and recall she is bomb proof up to about 40yds on the stay and recall straight back to me.

As soon as I finish the training and let her enjoy a little run about she fooks off out of site, nose down and sniffing every blade of grass, I call and whistle her and it's like she is deaf or I'm talking Chinese!

Any ideas please guys??

Thanks

 

Its funny you say this, the pup on the left is about 1 now (Sire Saluki/Bull/Grey, Dam Beddy/Grey) -

 

His recall was a bit dodgey to start with, doing pretty much what you said, but earlier today he started to show a lot of improvement with a few changes to the routine.

 

When you call her back don't instantly put her on the lead, get her coming back and just give her a fuss and give her a little treat if you can, then let her carry on. Keep doing that only putting her on the lead when you have too and she should come good. If you put her on the lead every time she comes back to you she's not going to want to come back to you. Praise good behaviour!

 

Best of luck.

[MrsChamp606 553]

Hi guys!

My butch pup Darla was 9 months old yesterday and I'm not sure whether it is her adolescent teenage streak / the amount of saluki in her or the fresh scents from loads and loads

Of young bunnies popping about during the mornings but she is really testing me with regards to recall.

I have been really concentrating on our bond and using treats to train her on sit,stay and recall she is bomb proof up to about 40yds on the stay and recall straight back to me.

As soon as I finish the training and let her enjoy a little run about she fooks off out of site, nose down and sniffing every blade of grass, I call and whistle her and it's like she is deaf or I'm talking Chinese!

Any ideas please guys??

Thanks

 

Its funny you say this, the pup on the left is about 1 now (Sire Saluki/Bull/Grey, Dam Beddy/Grey) -

 

His recall was a bit dodgey to start with, doing pretty much what you said, but earlier today he started to show a lot of improvement with a few changes to the routine.

 

When you call her back don't instantly put her on the lead, get her coming back and just give her a fuss and give her a little treat if you can, then let her carry on. Keep doing that only putting her on the lead when you have too and she should come good. If you put her on the lead every time she comes back to you she's not going to want to come back to you. Praise good behaviour!

 

Best of luck.

Good point but I have been doing that already loads if fuss and high value treat is the way to go.

Love the look of your EBT by the way

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

Hi guys!

My butch pup Darla was 9 months old yesterday and I'm not sure whether it is her adolescent teenage streak / the amount of saluki in her or the fresh scents from loads and loads

Of young bunnies popping about during the mornings but she is really testing me with regards to recall.

I have been really concentrating on our bond and using treats to train her on sit,stay and recall she is bomb proof up to about 40yds on the stay and recall straight back to me.

As soon as I finish the training and let her enjoy a little run about she fooks off out of site, nose down and sniffing every blade of grass, I call and whistle her and it's like she is deaf or I'm talking Chinese!

Any ideas please guys??

Thanks

 

Its funny you say this, the pup on the left is about 1 now (Sire Saluki/Bull/Grey, Dam Beddy/Grey) -

 

His recall was a bit dodgey to start with, doing pretty much what you said, but earlier today he started to show a lot of improvement with a few changes to the routine.

 

When you call her back don't instantly put her on the lead, get her coming back and just give her a fuss and give her a little treat if you can, then let her carry on. Keep doing that only putting her on the lead when you have too and she should come good. If you put her on the lead every time she comes back to you she's not going to want to come back to you. Praise good behaviour!

 

Best of luck.

Good point but I have been doing that already loads if fuss and high value treat is the way to go.

Love the look of your EBT by the way

 

Cheers, best of luck! I think persistence will be what does it then.

 

All the best with the bitches training.

[wi11ow 2,657]

HIGH VALUE treats are the way forward. Dont bother with a bit of kibble or markies or shapes etc. Get a cheap bag of frozen sausages, grill them, cut them into smallish bits and give her 1 bit everytime her recall is spot on. Just go out for the walk as normal. After 10 minutes or so give her your usual "come here" comand. If she comes back give her a bit of sausage, call her good girl, stroke her head then carry on the walk. Another 10 minutes repeat the process. If she is anything like mine she will be running back to you like her arse is on fire after the 4th or 5th time. Then leave it half hour and do it again. Keep it up for a week to make sure its firmly installed in her head.

 

 

spot on it works everytime

[lurcherman01 16]

mike,was only saying the same thing to jacob,about jip,and he having same with troy,once jip gets his head down,theres no calling him back,and his recall was spot on,treats are no good when the dog wont listen in the first place,so ive gone back to long lead him/and treats till he gets it right again,the prey drive in these pups are so high,he is like a naughty teenager/crafty,if he thinks your not watching him hes gone....its not the saluki in them,cause this dog i have is so brainy,very clever......other than that,dead chuffed with him,it will all come right in the end..

atb,

mick

[Casso 1,261]

My Saluki X is the same age. She tests my patience too!

 

Her recall is spot on when it's just me and her... It's brilliant, but if she see's or even hears another dog/person she runs off and there is no stopping her. It's really frustrating. She just loves to play and nothing I do makes her come back. I have to run after her after screaming for her to come back looking like someone that can't control a dog. But I can!

 

I'm using different methods and she is slowly getting there.

The answer to your problems is already in your post bud, "She just loves to play " feck the treats away and get the dog playing with you

,

There can be ton loads of shite written on here about how to get a dog to do this or that but we dont sit down and look at what motivates the mutt, lurchers are motivated by the chase , they love been in prey drive, bar none it is their greatest motivation,

 

So when they spot a prey item , it doesnt really matter what it is for the moment they get charged up with prey energy, 20,000 volts of prey energy in their body, its easy to see it in them , they become stiff and tense,they have energy to give

So we offer them a choice between a high value treat probably worth 2,000 volts to them on the energy scale, we are giving them an equation that can never work in our favor, because they still have energy to give,

unless the dog can equate you as a way of releasing energy his prey instinct will always pull him away to a prey item, primarily through sight but also scent which seems to be a problem when the dog smells something interesting,

to have a high level of control you must plug into the dogs drive and the easiest way to do that is with an item that stimulates the killing action,namely a simple tug item its stimulates drive , gets the dog interested in you and makes him feel good to be with you, the lurcher world is slow to learn from other dog sports,

 

So instead of pulling your hair out trying to recall the fecking mutt who is just seeking a way resolving its energy issues anyway ,be the one he turns to when he has energy to give, be it with a ball or tug item or whatever motivates him, the mutt will give us the answer once we take the blinkers off, best of luck

[MrsChamp606 553]

mike,was only saying the same thing to jacob,about jip,and he having same with troy,once jip gets his head down,theres no calling him back,and his recall was spot on,treats are no good when the dog wont listen in the first place,so ive gone back to long lead him/and treats till he gets it right again,the prey drive in these pups are so high,he is like a naughty teenager/crafty,if he thinks your not watching him hes gone....its not the saluki in them,cause this dog i have is so brainy,very clever......other than that,dead chuffed with him,it will all come right in the end..

atb,

mick

 

Glad I'm not the only one, I have been doing allot more of recall and training in the garden, trying to instill what I require of her.

Sure in another month or so everything will be fine

[MrsChamp606 553]

My Saluki X is the same age. She tests my patience too!

 

Her recall is spot on when it's just me and her... It's brilliant, but if she see's or even hears another dog/person she runs off and there is no stopping her. It's really frustrating. She just loves to play and nothing I do makes her come back. I have to run after her after screaming for her to come back looking like someone that can't control a dog. But I can!

 

I'm using different methods and she is slowly getting there.

The answer to your problems is already in your post bud, "She just loves to play " feck the treats away and get the dog playing with you

,

There can be ton loads of shite written on here about how to get a dog to do this or that but we dont sit down and look at what motivates the mutt, lurchers are motivated by the chase , they love been in prey drive, bar none it is their greatest motivation,

 

So when they spot a prey item , it doesnt really matter what it is for the moment they get charged up with prey energy, 20,000 volts of prey energy in their body, its easy to see it in them , they become stiff and tense,they have energy to give

So we offer them a choice between a high value treat probably worth 2,000 volts to them on the energy scale, we are giving them an equation that can never work in our favor, because they still have energy to give,

unless the dog can equate you as a way of releasing energy his prey instinct will always pull him away to a prey item, primarily through sight but also scent which seems to be a problem when the dog smells something interesting,

to have a high level of control you must plug into the dogs drive and the easiest way to do that is with an item that stimulates the killing action,namely a simple tug item its stimulates drive , gets the dog interested in you and makes him feel good to be with you, the lurcher world is slow to learn from other dog sports,

 

So instead of pulling your hair out trying to recall the fecking mutt who is just seeking a way resolving its energy issues anyway ,be the one he turns to when he has energy to give, be it with a ball or tug item or whatever motivates him, the mutt will give us the answer once we take the blinkers off, best of luck

Great reply, this has turned out to be a decent thread, I wil take my tug training toy out with me next time, but this will only work if you can get the damn dog to look at you in the first place haha! I am willing to try anythin though so thanks for your reply

[Romany 1,065]

Hi guys!

My butch pup Darla was 9 months old yesterday and I'm not sure whether it is her adolescent teenage streak / the amount of saluki in her or the fresh scents from loads and loads

Of young bunnies popping about during the mornings but she is really testing me with regards to recall.

I have been really concentrating on our bond and using treats to train her on sit,stay and recall she is bomb proof up to about 40yds on the stay and recall straight back to me.

As soon as I finish the training and let her enjoy a little run about she fooks off out of site, nose down and sniffing every blade of grass, I call and whistle her and it's like she is deaf or I'm talking Chinese!

Any ideas please guys??

Thanks

 

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[Simoman 110]

Hi guys!

My butch pup Darla was 9 months old yesterday and I'm not sure whether it is her adolescent teenage streak / the amount of saluki in her or the fresh scents from loads and loads

Of young bunnies popping about during the mornings but she is really testing me with regards to recall.

I have been really concentrating on our bond and using treats to train her on sit,stay and recall she is bomb proof up to about 40yds on the stay and recall straight back to me.

As soon as I finish the training and let her enjoy a little run about she fooks off out of site, nose down and sniffing every blade of grass, I call and whistle her and it's like she is deaf or I'm talking Chinese!

Any ideas please guys??

Thanks

 

Yeah, dont let her off the lead after training to enjoy a "little run", keep it less excitable and controlled, and when in the future she has mastered the basics, THEN let her off for a run in an enclosed environment. In the meantime allow her to relax calmly on the lead after training............

[skycat 6,174]

In answer to the question: is it because of the Saluki in her, or her age? The answer is both! I'd forget about trying to get her attention when its a choice between young rabbits or you, no matter how many toys, treats, whistles and bells you may resort to. Nothing compares with real live prey. End of. And unlike some other types of lurcher, failure to catch won't make her quit, it will just make her more and more determined to catch one: that's the Saluki side of things, providing she comes from the right sort of lines.

 

I know this might sound like heresy, but I never try and do training sessions with a pup any more. I incorporate all their training into our daily walks, so the training is dropped in from time to time, leaving the pup blissfully ignorant of what it is actually learning. It might be walk to heel, for even a few yards, before sending the dog on again.

 

With the young dog I have at the moment, he is now about 13-14 months, and he's been very trying. Only this month have I started walking him to heel off the lead for a few yards!Yes, it has taken that long, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. He simply wasn't ready for obedience stuff in the field before. There's an old saying which means give them lots of rein, then gradually draw them in. It's like any young animal: you can't expect it to be all good and obedient when there's a world out there to explore, especially if you take them places where they see rabbits, smell them.

 

In an ideal world, you will have already been ferreting with this pup of yours. It will have learned how to put its mouth round a rabbit in a controlled situation, and it will have learned to give them up to you.

 

What I would do, in your situation, is to get a fresh rabbit skin, (a really high value item) wrap it round a dummy, and encourage the pup to find it after you, or preferably a helper, has hidden it in the hedgerow. Do your training with that, but don't be surprised if the pup wants to run off with it: she really is at that age where the independence kicks in.

 

Add the independent, high drive Saluki blood to an adolescent bitch whose hormones are changing her into an adult, and its not surprising that you have a dog which really wants to hunt and catch: that is, after all, what she's been bred to do. I honestly don't believe that it is possible to get such a dog to do submit to the master/slave relationship which so many people expect with their dogs, unless you deprive them of their drive by severe punishment, which effectively frightens the dog into obeying you.

 

BUT they also need to learn the limits of your patience. Do you ever get really angry with her? How does she react if you shout at her in a voice which sounds as though you are going to kill her? (Not really of course) This might sound nuts, but my dogs respond to my 'very angry voice', a voice they learn means 'no messing about', and they learn to respond to this voice at home first: Come out of there, Get off there etc etc

 

Some Saluki types take a long time, a very long time indeed, to accept that you are the leader, the boss and he or she who must be obeyed. Only once they see you as the means to hunting and catching do they seem to regard you as anything other than a provider of food, which is way down the list in terms of value to a dog which lives to hunt.

 

The trouble with trying to give any advice on a forum, is that without seeing the owner and dog in the flesh, and knowing in detail the relationship between them, that advice may be wrongly placed or not applicable to the case in question.

 

Hope this helps to understand the dog a bit better.

[bird 10,013]

some good answers, if it was me try to take her where there aint to many rabbit sents, or where there is other dog walkers.We all know most young lurchers will want to play with other dogs or go deaf when on a sent, there no rush with her with the hunting side as as S/C said its bred in them its there, just take her out with (less) distractions think Simo said the same , just keep up the training with few treats, you got plenty of time with her till sep .

[MrsChamp606 553]

Hi guys!

My butch pup Darla was 9 months old yesterday and I'm not sure whether it is her adolescent teenage streak / the amount of saluki in her or the fresh scents from loads and loads

Of young bunnies popping about during the mornings but she is really testing me with regards to recall.

I have been really concentrating on our bond and using treats to train her on sit,stay and recall she is bomb proof up to about 40yds on the stay and recall straight back to me.

As soon as I finish the training and let her enjoy a little run about she fooks off out of site, nose down and sniffing every blade of grass, I call and whistle her and it's like she is deaf or I'm talking Chinese!

Any ideas please guys??

Thanks

 

Yeah, dont let her off the lead after training to enjoy a "little run", keep it less excitable and controlled, and when in the future she has mastered the basics, THEN let her off for a run in an enclosed environment. In the meantime allow her to relax calmly on the lead after training............

Thanks I wil keep that in mind in the future