Pure Instinct?

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ALRIGHT MATE ,HAD A WEE GREW BITCH THAT WOULD DO SUMMERSALTS ON THE LEAD,IT WOULD GO ABSOLUTLEY BANNANAS ,CAUGHT AND SMASHED FOXES TO THEY WERE SQUASHY,YOUD HAVE TO PULL HER OF A KILL.

EX TRACK DOG HAD NEVER SEEN A FOX TILL 2YRS OLD.

SHED GO THROUGH A BRICK WALL TO GET TO THEM. SO NO WERE YOUR COMING FROM ,MUST BE INSTINCT ATB GIVE HER SOME

[rob190364 2,594]

Isn't this like, illegal?

 

Pre-ban dogs would take them before 12 months, every thing was better then, just look at Wagon Wheels

The first two threads I've read this morning have the same sentence in it from you.....is that all you do, sift through thread pointing out things that you think are illegal? get a grip!

 

As I put on the last sentence of my first post, I haven't specified which country I'm talking about, now go and eat a wagon wheel and stop trying to ruin threads.

[weasle 1,119]

I would be waiting till this time next year if i were you.You already know its the right thing to do. It only takes one bad expierance to put doubt in a young dog.

[leegreen 2,250]

Isn't this like, illegal?

 

Pre-ban dogs would take them before 12 months, every thing was better then, just look at Wagon Wheels

The first two threads I've read this morning have the same sentence in it from you.....is that all you do, sift through thread pointing out things that you think are illegal? get a grip!

 

As I put on the last sentence of my first post, I haven't specified which country I'm talking about, now go and eat a wagon wheel and stop trying to ruin threads.

 

how am I ruining a thread? you could of just answered me sensibly couldn't you and as for shifting through posts to ruin threads, what are you stalking me?. Maybe you should go back to bed and get up on the right side.

 

Edited to say; you were on my " thought you were ok list" but having a little girly pop at me does you no favors and you don't even know what I mean about Wagon Wheels do ya?.

Edited August 13, 2011 by leegreen

[rob190364 2,594]

what I'm saying is, I put the fact that I will be working my dog overseas so it doesnt turn into a pre ban debate.....I'm not going specifically to work my dog, I go for 3 months of the year anyway so it works out ideal to take the mutt and escape the silly rules of this country......can I go back on the list now?

Edited August 13, 2011 by rob190364

[leegreen 2,250]

what I'm saying is, I put the fact that I will be working my dog overseas so it doesnt turn into a pre ban debate.....I'm not going specifically to work my dog, I go for 3 months of the year anyway so it works out ideal to take the mutt and escape the silly rules of this country......can I go back on the list now?

Back on the list

[derekbrown 176]

I would be waiting till this time next year if i were you.You already know its the right thing to do. It only takes one bad expierance to put doubt in a young dog.

not at all,if the dog has it in him he will start at 15/16 months no problem.no point in nursing dogs,they will do it or they wont

[rob190364 2,594]

To be honest I don't think it's going to be me that makes the decision about when she's entered anyway....took her for a wander down the local river last night for a bit of a swim and a run and she picked up a scent so went up towards some trees. Next thing a charlie broke from cover and ran along the top of the hill and she went steaming through the cover and was flat out through the trees. It had too much of a head start so made a getaway but she went after that like a train...........I think we're in for an interesting first season!! Hopefully she'll cope OK when she does connect but only time will tell. (thanks again DFK for an absolutely cracking pup!)

[rob190364 2,594]

Update on Tillys introduction to charlie.....since I last posted on this thread I've had to go across to another country for a couple of days so took my lurcher with me. It had been raining all day so the ground was soft and near where I stay there's a couple of small fields alongside some woodland where you get a fair few rabbits most nights, so one night off we went with the lamp for a quick look round. As soon as we went through the gate I had a quick shine across the field and staight away there's a charlie sat looking at us. It's over to the opposite side of the field and a good 100 meters from the woodland. So the dilemma begins, do I let her have a shot or not I start walking straight forward thinking I'll probably leave it for now, dog still on slip and still hasn't spotted the fox.......and then the fox makes my decision for me, the cheeky b*****d walked in front of us about 40 meters away and stood looking at us with its back to us, it was like it was issuing some sort of challenge. By now Tilly how spotted it and was going mental so I slipped her, the fox ran and she caught up to it in about 20 meters.........it was a full grown vixen and by the way it tied her in knots I think it had done this before! I've read other peoples posts about how foxes turn and this thing turned on a six pence about three or four times and she over shot by a mile each time...combination of youthful exuberance and inexperience but she was giving it 100%. End result was a bloody good run and a fox scaling a wire fence and escaping through the woodland. Tilly came back and I put her back on the slip as we head toward rabbit territory. As we're walking the fox appeared 100 meters away at the edge of the woodland shrieking and barking it bleedin head off....don't know if it was some kind of victory show or whether it was trying to warn others?

 

We get to the end of the field, through the gate and there are a few bunnies sat on the far side of the field but not that far from the woods, probably about 15 meters or so. We head towards them anyway just in case there are any squatters behind any clumps of grass and sure enough as we get closer one pops up but starts running parallel to the woods rather than towards it so I slipped Tilly and as the rabbit bolts towards the fence I shook the lamp and it turned back out but once again she over shot and it just about managed to make its get away.

 

We'd pretty much covered both fields by then so we start heading back via the only point we hadn't been to yet which is a dip that runs alongside a reed bed about 50 meters from the woodland. As we approach I give it a quick shine and there's another charlie sat right next to the reed bed, it looked straight at the beam and then started running towards us! This time Tilly sees it straight away and is bouncing on her back legs to get at it so I slipped her and she went like a rocket. It ran in the opposite direction and impressively (at least it impressed me), Tilly pre-empted the foxes turn and as it turned towards the woods she literally slammed into the side of it and sent it flying, but she didn't manage to grip it and it was up and off like lightening towards the fence at the edge of the woodland with Tilly hot on its tail, they both dived at the fence at the same time but the fox just about scrambled through a small gap in the fence as Tilly slammed into it........I was absolutely buzzing! It's difficult to describe on here but on this one especially she was 100% committed, proper determined.....if that woodland didn't have a fence around it that fox would have been curtains, I'm sure of it. Brilliant to watch, and even though the end result was a blank I was well happy

 

Still doesn't answer the question of how she'll cope when she does get a grip of one but the way she went after that second one I would expect it to be game over pretty quickly to be honest. Roll on the next visit overseas

[sandymere 8,263]

If they'll do it they'll do it they'll usually do by 13 months dog fox or not. Your right to concentrate on rabbits as learing to catch is whats important for a youngster,build confidence and strike, after alll whatever is to be taken needs to be caugth first but i'd let nature takes its cause as occasion presents as the season progresses.

[skycat 6,174]

A fox by day is a doddle compared to on the lamp: if you can, get her entered by daylight where she can feel more confident and see better how and where to grab it. Yes, some dog do it straight off on the lamp, but I've found that it makes things easier for the dog in day time first. It's all about building confidence, and a fox on the lamp is a very slippery customer, as your'e finding out. Some dogs grab anywhere and take the punishment, but the most efficient dogs go for a neck hold every time: though that is more a sight hound trait than a terrier trait.

[rob190364 2,594]

If they'll do it they'll do it they'll usually do by 13 months dog fox or not. Your right to concentrate on rabbits as learing to catch is whats important for a youngster,build confidence and strike, after alll whatever is to be taken needs to be caugth first but i'd let nature takes its cause as occasion presents as the season progresses.

Yeah the strike is what she needs to perfect, she's only a small dog so it won't be an issue turning....when she's running with other lurchers and one is chasing her she out turns the bigger dogs easily. She just doesn't seem to expect quarry to turn when chasing so overshoots most of the time, a case of practice makes perfect I reckon. I'll be spending most of this season hammering the bunnys and when opportunities present themselves like they did the other day then I'll give her the opportunity to see what she can do.

[rob190364 2,594]

A fox by day is a doddle compared to on the lamp: if you can, get her entered by daylight where she can feel more confident and see better how and where to grab it. Yes, some dog do it straight off on the lamp, but I've found that it makes things easier for the dog in day time first. It's all about building confidence, and a fox on the lamp is a very slippery customer, as your'e finding out. Some dogs grab anywhere and take the punishment, but the most efficient dogs go for a neck hold every time: though that is more a sight hound trait than a terrier trait.

Ah right, that's interesting....I just assumed they'd be easier on the lamp. The only problem is we never seem to see them during the day apart from in dense undergrowth, I'll have to see if we come across any during the daytime out in the open. We'll be wandering quite far a field though so I'm sure we'll get our chances