Teachers Strike

[spanj 11]

Many thanks to Ideation, Undisputed, Tomm Parr and anybody else who's sticking up for the likes of myself and my wife: we're both teachers.

 

To be fair, I'm a supply teacher. Not one of those crap ones who's only doing it because they can't get a job, but one who's been doing it out of choice for a decade and a half. As a result of my choice, I have to admit that I am fortunate in getting thirteen weeks holiday per year. However, the downside of being a supply teacher is that I only get paid for the days I work.

 

Back to my wife: a "proper" teacher. As has been said above, it's not 9 til 3. Most teachers start work by 8 at the very latest, are lucky to grab a few minutes for lunch and work (in school) until at least 5. My wife's rarely home before 6. Then there's all the paper-work which takes up several of her evenings and some of the weekend every week. In addition, she usually goes into school for several days during each "holiday" plus more paper-work at home again.

 

Considering we're post-graduates, our salary is below average for our qualifications...like nurses etc we're in a "caring" industry which means we're exected to do it for enjoyment. Enjoyment which often includes verbal and physical abuse from pupils and parents and f*** all appreciation from a large section of the public. Many of the comments on this thread are examples of this.

 

I love my job. I get to make a genuine, positive impact on people's lives and they regularly thank me for it. Fortunately, that more than makes up for the blind comments of so many and the, comparatively, poor salary which is soon to become worse by making me pay more for longer in order to receive less.

 

Thanks again to those of you who appreciate what I do.

 

If it's that bad have a career change, I bet you don't though cos it's better than a helluva lot of jobs out there, most in fact.

 

You have experience of teaching then?

 

 

Do you have experience of the private sector ??????

[spanj 11]

Try producing anything without a working class. Who built your car? Did your fridge, freezer, cooker, just grow on trees? What class were the guys who built your guns? People on production lines are working class by definition and they are the true wealth producers, not some fat-assed number crunchers in flash offices.

 

 

Ric, in all honesty either a chinaman or a robot ! I wouldnt want to be a working (peasant) class chinaman would you ? Sadly (& I do deplore them) number crunchers fatassed or othewise are vital in todays business environment.

[shepp 2,285]

Dont know why anybodys botherd ,according to the tory press thousands ignored the strike and went to work anyway.

 

Thats what the tory papers want you to think....the Politicians are spouting the same rubbish about its affecting the children and people who want to work....strange stance to take when they've consigned thousands of kids to the dole and ruined communities. The tory dogma is purely for the rich always has been always will be, wolf in sheeps clothing.

 

Have you noticed the fallback position is its labours fault we have no choice...its bullshit if they fixed the tax laws there would be no national debt. How can it be right that multi billionaire/millionaires pay less tax than the average joe in the street.

 

 

What a load a simplistic socialist rhetoric, with very little foundation.

 

If Labour were doing such a great job then why were tax laws not changed during there 13 years in government, i will tell you why. Unfortunately, as much as we all hate it in a global economy it is very easy for big business to move to which ever country is the most tax efficient. That is the sad fact of capitalism.

 

The reality is during the Labour years the economy relied very heavily on the banking industry, that's why the Labour whores ignored all the dodgy practices and big bonuses.

Labour had neither the wit nor the will to create a stable balanced economy but instead spent there time, our money and a billions of borrowed money on creating a million public sector jobs (mainly Labour voters) and flooding the country with immigrants (mainly Labour voters).

 

So lets look at what Labour have given us-

 

Mass immigration with people from countries that have very poor work ethic, religious fundamentalism and intollerent prejudiced views.

 

Lied and cheated us out of a referendom and signed us up to the Lisbon Treaty, giving the unelected european parliament even more control over our laws.

 

Expanded the massive underclass, many of which are unemployable.

 

Took away parents and teachers ability to control a youth which has all the rights but no responsiblities.

 

The Hunting Ban.

 

In fact the Labour Party to me have damaged this country irreparably and just on the case of immigration alone I would despcribe most of the Labour politicians as traitors.

[Malt 379]

All you guys are playing right into the hands of the politicians. labour stood by haemorrhaging money while the markets f****d us up, and the Tories are going to f**k us over in the name of correcting labours mistakes.

 

I can't stand either of them, I feel our whole current political system is nothing more than a system of elected dictatorship.

 

I feel this government has got their priorities completely wrong. They should be trying to recover the billions & billions of tax pounds from our top companies who make vast profits in this country then avoid tax by moving their companies headquarters abroad.

 

..and what about the banks? The ones we've had to bail out are publicly owned, what happens to their profits? They should be put back into the system they nearly destroyed.

 

 

To top this all off, the fast growing economies of countries like China, India & even Brazil are going to ensure that we never get back to where we were before the shit hit the fan. It's time for people to start setting their sights to more realistic levels.. We'll never be able to compete with them.

[RicW 67]

Try producing anything without a working class. Who built your car? Did your fridge, freezer, cooker, just grow on trees? What class were the guys who built your guns? People on production lines are working class by definition and they are the true wealth producers, not some fat-assed number crunchers in flash offices.

 

 

Ric, in all honesty either a chinaman or a robot ! I wouldnt want to be a working (peasant) class chinaman would you ? Sadly (& I do deplore them) number crunchers fatassed or othewise are vital in todays business environment.

 

:11:

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

Many thanks to Ideation, Undisputed, Tomm Parr and anybody else who's sticking up for the likes of myself and my wife: we're both teachers.

 

To be fair, I'm a supply teacher. Not one of those crap ones who's only doing it because they can't get a job, but one who's been doing it out of choice for a decade and a half. As a result of my choice, I have to admit that I am fortunate in getting thirteen weeks holiday per year. However, the downside of being a supply teacher is that I only get paid for the days I work.

 

Back to my wife: a "proper" teacher. As has been said above, it's not 9 til 3. Most teachers start work by 8 at the very latest, are lucky to grab a few minutes for lunch and work (in school) until at least 5. My wife's rarely home before 6. Then there's all the paper-work which takes up several of her evenings and some of the weekend every week. In addition, she usually goes into school for several days during each "holiday" plus more paper-work at home again.

 

Considering we're post-graduates, our salary is below average for our qualifications...like nurses etc we're in a "caring" industry which means we're exected to do it for enjoyment. Enjoyment which often includes verbal and physical abuse from pupils and parents and f*** all appreciation from a large section of the public. Many of the comments on this thread are examples of this.

 

I love my job. I get to make a genuine, positive impact on people's lives and they regularly thank me for it. Fortunately, that more than makes up for the blind comments of so many and the, comparatively, poor salary which is soon to become worse by making me pay more for longer in order to receive less.

 

Thanks again to those of you who appreciate what I do.

 

I just want to say that teachers such as you've described are few and far between these days. I've had such a negative experience with my kids' primary school, I confess I feel rather jaded. Good teaching should be fully supported and encouraged - but instead bad teaching is protected and perpetuated. Red tape and ridiculous health and safety laws don't help either. And imo the holiday system is barking mad and needs to be revamped. There is NO reason at all for that amount of holidays. If it were reduced to the six weeks in summer with one or two term breaks during the year that would make more sense. And those term breaks should be used for lesson planning and teacher training. The 6 weeks in the summer is ample holiday for anyone, teachers included. If that happened I reckon it would shake out the teachers who only do it for the extensive holidays. You can't deny there are a lot of them like that.

 

I do value public sector workers - but it's hard to feel their pain when everyone else is taking it up the ass as well. The balance is uneven between public and private sectors. It's not as if the average Joe Public can go on strike, is it?

[Malt 379]

It's not as if the average Joe Public can go on strike, is it?

 

Depends on whether they're members of a union or not. It's not just public sector employees in unions..

[undisputed 1,664]

Dont know why anybodys botherd ,according to the tory press thousands ignored the strike and went to work anyway.

 

Thats what the tory papers want you to think....the Politicians are spouting the same rubbish about its affecting the children and people who want to work....strange stance to take when they've consigned thousands of kids to the dole and ruined communities. The tory dogma is purely for the rich always has been always will be, wolf in sheeps clothing.

 

Have you noticed the fallback position is its labours fault we have no choice...its bullshit if they fixed the tax laws there would be no national debt. How can it be right that multi billionaire/millionaires pay less tax than the average joe in the street.

 

 

What a load a simplistic socialist rhetoric, with very little foundation.

 

If Labour were doing such a great job then why were tax laws not changed during there 13 years in government, i will tell you why. Unfortunately, as much as we all hate it in a global economy it is very easy for big business to move to which ever country is the most tax efficient. That is the sad fact of capitalism.

 

The reality is during the Labour years the economy relied very heavily on the banking industry, that's why the Labour whores ignored all the dodgy practices and big bonuses.

Labour had neither the wit nor the will to create a stable balanced economy but instead spent there time, our money and a billions of borrowed money on creating a million public sector jobs (mainly Labour voters) and flooding the country with immigrants (mainly Labour voters).

 

So lets look at what Labour have given us-

 

Mass immigration with people from countries that have very poor work ethic, religious fundamentalism and intollerent prejudiced views.

 

Lied and cheated us out of a referendom and signed us up to the Lisbon Treaty, giving the unelected european parliament even more control over our laws.

 

Expanded the massive underclass, many of which are unemployable.

 

Took away parents and teachers ability to control a youth which has all the rights but no responsiblities.

 

The Hunting Ban.

 

In fact the Labour Party to me have damaged this country irreparably and just on the case of immigration alone I would despcribe most of the Labour politicians as traitors.

 

Yeah cause the tories were doing such a stand up job before labour got in...who took us into Europe in the first place? Mass immigration has being going on since the end of world war two....and do you really think the tories would have blocked the hunting ban?....why don't they repeal it?....how have parents rights to control their kids been taken away?...that's down to idiots that can't parent not a government.

 

The "underclass" has always been there it's not something new or modern....and there's no prejudice or intolerent brits is there? I could go on but I've a meeting down the tennis club to go to...tiddly poop

Edited July 2, 2011 by undisputed

[scothunter 12,609]

yor all a shower of f*****g commies

[Malt 379]

yor all a shower of f*****g commies

 

You can't knock it ! It's taken 90 years, but China's finally coming good...

[scothunter 12,609]

yor all a shower of f*****g commies

 

You can't knock it ! It's taken 90 years, but China's finally coming good...

 

aye one day we can all live happily together in chinese concentration camps

[Ideation 8,217]

Many thanks to Ideation, Undisputed, Tomm Parr and anybody else who's sticking up for the likes of myself and my wife: we're both teachers.

 

To be fair, I'm a supply teacher. Not one of those crap ones who's only doing it because they can't get a job, but one who's been doing it out of choice for a decade and a half. As a result of my choice, I have to admit that I am fortunate in getting thirteen weeks holiday per year. However, the downside of being a supply teacher is that I only get paid for the days I work.

 

Back to my wife: a "proper" teacher. As has been said above, it's not 9 til 3. Most teachers start work by 8 at the very latest, are lucky to grab a few minutes for lunch and work (in school) until at least 5. My wife's rarely home before 6. Then there's all the paper-work which takes up several of her evenings and some of the weekend every week. In addition, she usually goes into school for several days during each "holiday" plus more paper-work at home again.

 

Considering we're post-graduates, our salary is below average for our qualifications...like nurses etc we're in a "caring" industry which means we're exected to do it for enjoyment. Enjoyment which often includes verbal and physical abuse from pupils and parents and f*** all appreciation from a large section of the public. Many of the comments on this thread are examples of this.

 

I love my job. I get to make a genuine, positive impact on people's lives and they regularly thank me for it. Fortunately, that more than makes up for the blind comments of so many and the, comparatively, poor salary which is soon to become worse by making me pay more for longer in order to receive less.

 

Thanks again to those of you who appreciate what I do.

 

I just want to say that teachers such as you've described are few and far between these days. I've had such a negative experience with my kids' primary school, I confess I feel rather jaded. Good teaching should be fully supported and encouraged - but instead bad teaching is protected and perpetuated. Red tape and ridiculous health and safety laws don't help either. And imo the holiday system is barking mad and needs to be revamped. There is NO reason at all for that amount of holidays. If it were reduced to the six weeks in summer with one or two term breaks during the year that would make more sense. And those term breaks should be used for lesson planning and teacher training. The 6 weeks in the summer is ample holiday for anyone, teachers included. If that happened I reckon it would shake out the teachers who only do it for the extensive holidays. You can't deny there are a lot of them like that.

 

I do value public sector workers - but it's hard to feel their pain when everyone else is taking it up the ass as well. The balance is uneven between public and private sectors. It's not as if the average Joe Public can go on strike, is it?

 

 

I get the impression you have feck all idea what the job really involves and are basing your comments on what / how you assume your own children's teachers have it.

 

Most of those week long half term breaks etc, teachers are in school, changing displays, sorting shit out, planning lessons, marking stuff, that all takes time, it's not like at 3.15 they go home and chill, and have all of their holidays to just put their feet up and relax.

 

Most of the folk moaning on here couldn't hack it for a week, let a lone a term.

 

If it's such a piece of piss, how come you ain't all teachers?

[Malt 379]

yor all a shower of f*****g commies

 

You can't knock it ! It's taken 90 years, but China's finally coming good...

 

aye one day we can all live happily together in chinese concentration camps

 

Good, I love chinese food...

[undisputed 1,664]

Many thanks to Ideation, Undisputed, Tomm Parr and anybody else who's sticking up for the likes of myself and my wife: we're both teachers.

 

To be fair, I'm a supply teacher. Not one of those crap ones who's only doing it because they can't get a job, but one who's been doing it out of choice for a decade and a half. As a result of my choice, I have to admit that I am fortunate in getting thirteen weeks holiday per year. However, the downside of being a supply teacher is that I only get paid for the days I work.

 

Back to my wife: a "proper" teacher. As has been said above, it's not 9 til 3. Most teachers start work by 8 at the very latest, are lucky to grab a few minutes for lunch and work (in school) until at least 5. My wife's rarely home before 6. Then there's all the paper-work which takes up several of her evenings and some of the weekend every week. In addition, she usually goes into school for several days during each "holiday" plus more paper-work at home again.

 

Considering we're post-graduates, our salary is below average for our qualifications...like nurses etc we're in a "caring" industry which means we're exected to do it for enjoyment. Enjoyment which often includes verbal and physical abuse from pupils and parents and f*** all appreciation from a large section of the public. Many of the comments on this thread are examples of this.

 

I love my job. I get to make a genuine, positive impact on people's lives and they regularly thank me for it. Fortunately, that more than makes up for the blind comments of so many and the, comparatively, poor salary which is soon to become worse by making me pay more for longer in order to receive less.

 

Thanks again to those of you who appreciate what I do.

 

If it's that bad have a career change, I bet you don't though cos it's better than a helluva lot of jobs out there, most in fact.

 

You have experience of teaching then?

 

 

Do you have experience of the private sector ??????

 

I surely do I have worked in both you didn't answer my question

[blan89 159]

apparently ed miliband thinks the strikes are wrong

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PZtVm8wtyFI