shepp 2,285 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Depends on the dog in question, my collie grey would never forgive me if i scruffed her Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 In the case I believe the OP is referring to scruffing in the sense that it's supposed to somehow convey alpha status and pack leadership, and requires that you do it harshly. That is NOT what I would do. I've grabbed my dogs by the back of the neck to get hold of them, get their attention in order to stop them in their tracks - when a bitch picks up her pup in this manner the pup stops and goes limp, to be carried off by the mother. She does not do it with force and malice. I do not grab them furiously, rub their face into the ground in a effort to tell them I'm the boss. They know I'm the boss because I teach them that with leadership, boundarys and patience - and firmness when required. I think the phrase 'dog is attacking livestock and won't listen to reason' is an interesting one - do people expect their dogs to listen to reason?! Excellent point SW .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 I think you've got to tailor discipline to the individual dog. Some dogs respond to the same methods in totally different ways. Some dogs need more physical reinforcement than others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mally 832 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Depends on the dog in question, my collie grey would never forgive me if i scruffed her Couldn't agree with you more, i've scruffed my labrador (but my definition of scruffing is holding the dog with the srcuff and placing it back where it was, not shaking the living daylights out of the dog!!). I'd never scruff the whippet though she'd never forgive me, all thats needed with her is a different tone of voice... I'm firm on my dogs but never hard on them. They know i'm the pack leader and its not very often they try taking the piss lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Depends on the dog in question, my collie grey would never forgive me if i scruffed her Couldn't agree with you more, i've scruffed my labrador (but my definition of scruffing is holding the dog with the srcuff and placing it back where it was, not shaking the living daylights out of the dog!!). I'd never scruff the whippet though she'd never forgive me, all thats needed with her is a different tone of voice... I'm firm on my dogs but never hard on them. They know i'm the pack leader and its not very often they try taking the piss lol Absolutely agree. If I scruffed my whippet - even tho he is hard as nails :laugh - the damage to the relationship would be lasting. Same goes for the lurcher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
runforyourlife 361 Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Depends on the dog in question, my collie grey would never forgive me if i scruffed her Couldn't agree with you more, i've scruffed my labrador (but my definition of scruffing is holding the dog with the srcuff and placing it back where it was, not shaking the living daylights out of the dog!!). I'd never scruff the whippet though she'd never forgive me, all thats needed with her is a different tone of voice... I'm firm on my dogs but never hard on them. They know i'm the pack leader and its not very often they try taking the piss lol Absolutely agree. If I scruffed my whippet - even tho he is hard as nails :laugh - the damage to the relationship would be lasting. Same goes for the lurcher. Who the f**k said anything about shaking the dog!!! Your at it again, changing the meaning! Lurchergurl,(dont really want to use that name, as your not) you told me not long ago your dog wasnt to clever with livestock!! You also asked me to move my dog away from yours as it wasnt to sure with other dogS, no wonder. Get them out running first before you condem anybody elses training love! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
runforyourlife 361 Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 The poll is 70 to 7, think we will leave it there. Also had a chat with many guys at the E D R D Show this weekend, most just laughed but most were real workers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scallywag 78 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 The poll is 70 to 7, think we will leave it there. Also had a chat with many guys at the E D R D Show this weekend, most just laughed but most were real workers! If you're trying to imply that 'real workers' agree with scruffing dogs and anyone who doesn't isn't a 'real worker' then I can't agree with you at all. I've grown up with men who work their dogs, some of them would scruff a dog and some wouldn't dream of it. I've also seen some pet owners scruff whereas others never would. This isn't about 'real workers' or otherwise it's about different approaches to dog training and different ideas about how you establish your authority. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anagallis_arvensis 2 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I would scruff a dog under certain circumstances, but my own lurcher bitch lies limp if I raise my voice, christ only knows what would happen if I grabbed her. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest buster321c Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Ive always had staff`s , but i would never show my dominance by force . There`s many ways you can keep a dog in its place without forcing your hand . Shame on you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I have met many people who boast about never raising a hand to there dogs which is a fair comment and is very commendable, as long as they have well trained obedient dogs. Then again when I see their dog is a lumbering out of control menace then it's not such a big boast! Shepp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6pack 60 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 The poll is 70 to 7, think we will leave it there. Also had a chat with many guys at the E D R D Show this weekend, most just laughed but most were real workers! Real workers, as in they worked at the show? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
runforyourlife 361 Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 The poll is 70 to 7, think we will leave it there. Also had a chat with many guys at the E D R D Show this weekend, most just laughed but most were real workers! Real workers, as in they worked at the show? I surgest you read the post about the E D R D Show last week, and look at the pictures...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
runforyourlife 361 Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 The poll is 70 to 7, think we will leave it there. Also had a chat with many guys at the E D R D Show this weekend, most just laughed but most were real workers! If you're trying to imply that 'real workers' agree with scruffing dogs and anyone who doesn't isn't a 'real worker' then I can't agree with you at all. I've grown up with men who work their dogs, some of them would scruff a dog and some wouldn't dream of it. I've also seen some pet owners scruff whereas others never would. This isn't about 'real workers' or otherwise it's about different approaches to dog training and different ideas about how you establish your authority. Nope not implying that at all. Wow you grew up with men who dogs....... I agree with you. some do, some dont but the ones that dont dont usually condem it or anything, until they have tryed something, what works for one person might not for the other. If you grew up with dog men, you most certainly will have seen alot worse going on than just scruffing!! That when it gets serious... I love it how people try and put words in your mouth and change it around on here. lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scallywag 78 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 The poll is 70 to 7, think we will leave it there. Also had a chat with many guys at the E D R D Show this weekend, most just laughed but most were real workers! Real workers, as in they worked at the show? I surgest you read the post about the E D R D Show last week, and look at the pictures...... One of my mates went to that show - her dog was reserve champion in the lure coursing - never worked a day in his life Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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