You think jagds are curs Neil ? Can u explain what u mean by that please mate ? not bein disrespectful just I've seen them go as good as any black dog and seen enough go to form a opinion of them my opinion is there good and bad ones for digging,, ones for on top depending were you go not as reliable as are black dogs and the percentage of good digging ones won't be as high as are black dogs but I whuld say ther in a better state than the border , Russel and Lakeland for digging