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  1. Alsone
    The short isn't designed per se to be subsonic. There are subsonic shorts out there, but the short was designed to be a lower powered and quieter .22 hunting / target round by virtue of less powder. Hunt around, pun aside, and you'll find subs, subject to availability, as they're not often used these days. I'm guessing you were just unfortunate and found a brand / type that was supersonic when you really wanted sub. For squirrels or birds where you don't need high power, they're going to be ideal.
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    Your big trouble is with either round there's no hydro static shock at those distances (very little with .22 LR anyway!). .22 LR has more than enough energy to kill birds at those ranges but humaneness of it will always depend on where the bullet hits which makes for a much smaller margin of error, that with something travelling with more velocity. Hard to tell from the video but I would have expected more flapping if it wasn't dead. I'd say it was probably just nerves moving the wing slightly.
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    In terms of power, it's a big step up. The penalty is noise. Subs typically come in around 90ft lbs depending on the brand / type, whereas HV's typically deliver around 50-100% more energy, again depending on the round / brand chosen. The big shame with HV's is in terms of usable range, it's not that much more than the subs because both velocity and energy drop off quickly. A HV becomes a sub at around 90yds and that's using he figures for a CCI Stinger, as one of the hottest rounds. Possibly of more interest is Shooting UK did a ballistics test here using clay to test the terminal e
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    Yeah but it's loud enough as to make no difference when it comes to scaring prey especially where we used to shoot in a valley with hills on all sides that it echoed off.
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    Because once you get that noisy, you might as well use a HMR or WMR or Hornet or a CF as you pointed out and gain a bit more range and punch in the bargain. .22 HV is a funny round in a way. The subs do most things. Once you need more range and give away the advantages of stealth, there are other calibres that fit better. Only reason I can see for using HV's is if you only have the 1 rifle with you and prey is unexpectedly a little beyond the range of subs. Beyond that, if you know the prey is going to be further out, there are probably better rifles for the job.
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    People hate them largely because they're very noisy. I remember being out with a mate when he shot some at night. The Winchester subs were just a quite phaat - quieter than my precharged moderated 12ft lbs air rfile! The Winchester HV's echoed round the valley off 3 hills some 2 or 3 miles away, 3 or 4 echoes in total. If I'm honest, it didn't sound that far behind a CF and that was with a quality mod on. The other factor of course is the trajectory is totally different and so they require a different zero and drop allowances. I guess many people are lazy, don't re-zero on a range or work
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    I wasn't a member and got loads of help a few years back. It stopped short of Court assistance, but included lots of advice. Maybe it was different people. If you can get licensing cover elsewhere, then certainly consider it. It's not so much where you get it but whether you have it that matters.
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    SY Police will grant a CF at 1st grant if you meet all the other requirements for good reason and health requirements, so I wouldn't worry too much about a .17 HMR and rimmy. Provided you have no skeletons in the closet, then it shouldn't be too bad. Just think about how you can justify a HMR and the rimmy ie what can the hmr do that the rimmy cannot, and you should be good to go with good reason given your permissions (the answer here is probably one of range, especially if you have long open fields as likely in the dales). Personally, I'd spend the £78 required to join the BASC 1st, as
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    Why not buy it and add it to your collection? ?
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    I think the point was it's a rimfire so potentially cheap on ammo but has CF performance. In the US, Federal WSM ammunition is $20 for a block of 50 rounds. For most .17 CF's that would buy around 20 rounds. Shooting Magazine UK report UK prices as £38 per 100 = 38p per shot for factory ammunition. Shooting UK seemed to like the calibre but not the bolt on Savage. Accuracy was reported as being a single hole at 50yds, 0.75 inch at 100yds, and 2 inches being possible at 200yds: https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/savage-b-mag-target-17-wsm
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    No Bob, Only have an SGC and current financial considerations mean I won't be applying for any expensive toys in the foreseeable future. I've not looked at reports on the WSM for a long time, but I don't think it's made i into Europe. I know a few people have knocked it, but the performance from a rimfire speaks for itself. I think the issue has been the case problems and from it's apparent low profile, I'm guessing it's maybe not getting a huge take up now in the States due to the issue. I wouldn't know, but I've not seen much about it.
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    The reason why you can fit a .22 moderator to a .17, is because the bullet is smaller. Try (or rather don't!) fitting a .22 moderator to a .243 or .308. .22 uses a .223 diameter bullet. With a larger calibre, where the bullet exceeds .223, there's a point where you'd be shooting the moderator because the hole down the centre wouldn't be large enough to let the bullet past. At the very least you'll destroy the moderator. In the worse case scenario, you could cause damage to your gun or even yourself. As Deker says, Moderators are calibre specific with the proviso, that you can often fit a
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    I'd have thought legally you'd be able to buy anything covered by what the licence terms say especially if you didn't request any specific type of .22. That said, I'd check with a legal adviser eg. from a shooting organisation or a specialist firearms lawyer 1st and get the advice in writing so at least if it goes tits up, you can show you sought professional legal advice and were acting in accordance with the advice you received.
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    Where it could certainly make a difference is bullet proof limousines / cars for VIP / rich individual use. Currently armoured civilian cars put on several tons when armoured and need a whole host of other upgrades eg engine, suspension etc to cope with the weight, which is why armouring a car can cost in excess of 150K. To be able to put light panels simply behind the existing door panels, could make the whole armouring process much quicker and cheaper.
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    Could be but Active Protection Systems are now all the rage. One issue with using polyethylene as tank armour is many rounds detonate in proximity and use a jet of plasma and molten metal to melt their way through the armour rather than use direct energy to blast their way through. Polyethylene is not famed for heat resistance. Ceramics are often used in armour these days eg Chobham armour or active protection plates which seek to neutralise the incoming threat with an outwards explosion of their own.
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    I agree but without export restrictions, you can bet your bottom dollar, the Russians have already bought some. What US forces really need to adopt is Tracking Point. However, I imagine price is the issue. Can you imagine forces with this body armour and tracking point rifles, even if it was only squad marksman?
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    It said no titanium etc. Just very dense polyethylene. That said, I think the .50 BMG would still kill you. That level of transference of energy would most likely be sufficient to rupture a major artery to the heart or similar. Remember the manikin is hard plastic not soft tissue and it suffered considerable deformation. I've seen this stuff before but never with a .50 cal. With that type of performance and only 4lbs, this has to be a candidate for military use as you could all but make troops impregnable to anything other than a headshot. That said, without export restrictions / cla
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    I'm presuming there you're referring to the Harold Fish case where the prosecutor claimed that 10mm was too powerful for self defence and it's use therefore amounted to murder. Although Mr, Fish did go to jail due to arguably failings in the US Justice System, the fact the decision was later reversed and he was released, hopefully that case should ensure that the whole argument of having too powerful a gun for self defence doesn't arise again. That said, in the context of the rest of this thread, here in the UK handguns are banned for self defence and have only limited availability for hu
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    If you want .223 performance in a handgun, you want a .500 S&W (I mean literally .223 performance!). However, the gun is ridiculously large and heavy (although they do now make a 3" and 5" version"). Probably OK for hunting if you have strong wrists. I'm not sure I'd describe .357 magnum as lacking oomph, it's the most powerful mainstream handgun calibre behind .44 Magnum (of course there are several calibres above). However out of the common calibres of .38, 40S&W, 9mm, 10mm, .357 magnum has the most destructive power. It's held back as a self defence calibre by the lack of revolver m
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    Because self defence is their primary usage, at least in countries like the states. For dispatch, I doubt the calibre is that critical as any handgun at point blank is going to be capable of killing. I'm pretty sure vets dispatch injured horses and cattle with a .22 pistol.
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    10mm. In my opinion, best balance between stopping power and useability. .357 Mag more powerful but almost exclusively, with a couple of exceptions, a revolver round which limits you to 5 shots. What might surprise a lot of people is unlike the movies, even the FBI MISS in a gun fight with 82% of their shots (18% hit rate). So having just 5 can be an issue. 9mm, Law Enforcement choice but lacking a little in stopping power. Law Enforcement recently switched to 10mm for more stopping power, then switched back. I read they only changed back to 9mm from 10mm, after accuracy dropped on
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    Good advice although for me I find little difference between Winchester and Browning. Winchester guns are designed by Browning in any event. Probably something no-one has touched upon up to now is balance. One very good reason for trying a few different guns under an instructor or even at a clay shoot that allows guests is the fact that most people fall into 1 of 2 main camps - Beretta and Browning. Many of the mainstream guns are made from designs from these 2 factories and if you do go for something a little more exotic, whether cheap or expensive, you will at least have some idea of wh
  23. Alsone
    I agree go to a clay ground and get assessed by an instructor. Personally, I think you might find shooting left handed hard. Shotguns are about a smooth swing and that could be difficult to achieve with your weak hand steadying the gun and controlling the butt and your strong hand making the swing. I've never come across this, but I'm sure instructors have. Personally, my instinct is to think you'll probably learn to shoot perfectly well with the "wrong" eye dominant as I would have thought the only difference it's going to make is the amount of lead (leed (deliberate mis-spelling) not le
  24. Alsone
    I never remember extolling .17 Hornet as a long range fox tool. A couple of hundred it's ok to from memory. As an alternative to the .22 Hornet though, it's an excellent calibre that's flat shooting and with a potentially more reach for smaller game. It's also easier to get good off the shelf ammo as there's no legacy loads out there for older proofed guns. Would I prefer .17 Hornet to .22 Hornet, yes, but that's my preference. I'd rather have a flat shoot and more reach in energy and velocity, much as some people prefer .22-250 over .223. As for .223, I'm not knocking it. Just saying the
  25. Alsone
    Dead is dead. However there are times most notably at range when some people prefer a little extra margin of power to make up for those occasions when it's a less than perfect shot. Also, it's about preference, .223 is like the Ford Mondeo of rounds. It's does everything average Joe requires. Not everybody drives Mondeo's though and that's because some like sportier cars, or need cars for specialised purposes or simply want something different for show. Some simply find more power entertaining. Nothing wrong in that. The prey doesn't care and if it reduces the chance of a wound then to th
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