Ye seen that DVD pal think it chucks towel in aswell mate , goes to show puting 2 top dogs togethfor don't always make a good en yea, snowy was a brilliant bitch but didn't seem to throw any good pups until she was put to jack, despite having been put to a number of good dogs caulfields joe, captain and Casper, don't think captain was the best producer thow, I havnt heard of any good dogs out of captain apart from Splodge, when snowy was put to jack (foxy x joe) she produced the crow forley cup winner and dr chase so just goes to show got to find the right dog for the right bitch, funny old ga