Maybe my attitude will change one day if i do have kids...but i was brought up being allowed access to 18+ stuff as were most of my mates and we're all a set of good well rounded lads, respectful, well spoken (ish!), polite, never been into drugs or got into any real trouble, we've been shooting, hunting, fishing since we were young all the while playing these games and having a can or two here and there...it's all in the raising, as i said yesterday it never did me any harm because IMO i was brought up well....