hi there liam i agree with alot you said on your post but i am refering to pro terrier me on the whole and yes i have dug pre locator days uing the bar has the finding tool digging to dogs at great depths 7 s average 2 or 3 times a morning in clay and yes our dogs were good stickers finders etc had to be terriers of old were great working dogs in there own right that theres no doubt i never meant it to come across that the modern terrier his vastly superior no like i said terriers evolving the same has the terrier men them selves adifferent time the fast lane of todays soc