Normally knock 2 or 3 over when I go out not been shooting long on my own as I always relied on my pall and used his guns so bit the bullet and put in for my SGL when I eventually got it after 4 months I got myself a Baretta silver pigeon one field and started putting some clear pigeons through it 32g 6s but was told has there is more corvids to go after I should try some 5s so I brought a slab of game bore black gold 32g 5s and today they certainly done the trick ended up with 8 nest robbers and 2 woodies atb BB