Good stuf fat man glad to hear that. I'm starting back with the terriers myself next week so I'll be concentrating on them mostly myself. Come the cold weather I'll probably give the fishing another try to see if things have picked up. Maybe there's too many shoals of bait fish and easy feeding for the pike with the warm weather, so in the winter they might be getting it tight enough for feeding and I might get a few better results. ???? Just a thought.