well realy i supose it's what youre gona use it for the 410 felt ok in the hand but of cource the range is limited, but i had a go with a 410 at clay's and it performed suprisingly well ,it's just the 12 felt awkward ,if you are shooting things at relativly close range i would go for the 410, which ever you go for i hope you have lot's of fun with it