i went through all manner of shit before i got the deerhunter trousers, cheap carp that ok doesnt cost much but if your out a lot then why not be comfortable? some cheap crap will keep you dry but it will sound like your wearing a crip packet for trousers, game will hear you miles away, some wont and leak like a seive but are quiet, spend a few bob and in the long run you wont waste your coin on crap before you end up buying what you should have bought in the first place!