Well Glen,amadore or eptr or who ever you are this week lol, it seems you still try to fool all the people all the time with your sh*t on how great you are at puppy peddling out of unproven young dogs and again it seems folks still don't go along with it lol,but then with your head so far up your own arse i'm surprised you hear whats being said anyway.Had myself a plummer(bred from working,proven parents)to ground for 4 1/2 hours last week and she delt with the vixen and cubs herself before i got to her so there are a few out there doing a bit of earthwork and slowly proving themselves,not eno