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What i should have said my big dog can catch rabbits for fun, but a burl into a hare, straight line Roe and kill foxes with one shake. But then both of us would have been talking shite.... :laugh::tongue2:

No, that would just be the one Lab :thumbs:

I'll have to watch what i write here buddy but i can assure you some of the comments i have made are true and some are made up...... :whistling: Although i'm having a bit banter with Paul he knows as much as me that his Lurcher cant perform like a proper working gundog. I dont dispute it can pick a few birds, so can pretty much any breed of dog thats been trained to do so........ ;)

im just to tight to buy a proper gundog :laugh: have you seen the price of labs,with my eyesight i can hardly tell the difference anyway :laugh:

Aye but you dont want one of these ones with a big long f*****g name...... :whistling: You want a real working dog................ ;)

Not with his spelling :laugh:

At the end of the day, its horses for courses, Pauls dogs can do everything he wants them to do , and they do it well, better than a lot of specialised retrievers. I suspect a lab or spaniel would not cover all the bases that Pauls dogs do.

 

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pauls lurchers are the exception though and he is clearly talented when it comes to training them

maybe one day some one will field a lurcher at a trial and prove us all wrong but till that day lads with lurchers can keep on dreaming that their dogs can perform as well a a proper gundog :thumbs:

That is a day I would love to see :thumbs:

I'm looking to, and started to train my own lurcher pup for all-round fieldsports use. To be fair though, I'm not looking for her to be stood by a peg as that doesn't float my boat.

Signs are looking promising so far, but then I am investing a lot of time in her.

 

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Duncan

 

PS it would be interesting to see if one of these professional gundog trainers could raise a lurcher pup to do as well as a more orthodox retriever :hmm:

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What i should have said my big dog can catch rabbits for fun, but a burl into a hare, straight line Roe and kill foxes with one shake. But then both of us would have been talking shite.... :laugh::tongue2:

No, that would just be the one Lab :thumbs:

I'll have to watch what i write here buddy but i can assure you some of the comments i have made are true and some are made up...... :whistling: Although i'm having a bit banter with Paul he knows as much as me that his Lurcher cant perform like a proper working gundog. I dont dispute it can pick a few birds, so can pretty much any breed of dog thats been trained to do so........ ;)

im just to tight to buy a proper gundog :laugh: have you seen the price of labs,with my eyesight i can hardly tell the difference anyway :laugh:

Aye but you dont want one of these ones with a big long f*****g name...... :whistling: You want a real working dog................ ;)

Not with his spelling :laugh:

At the end of the day, its horses for courses, Pauls dogs can do everything he wants them to do , and they do it well, better than a lot of specialised retrievers. I suspect a lab or spaniel would not cover all the bases that Pauls dogs do.

 

Atb

 

Duncan

 

 

 

pauls lurchers are the exception though and he is clearly talented when it comes to training them

maybe one day some one will field a lurcher at a trial and prove us all wrong but till that day lads with lurchers can keep on dreaming that their dogs can perform as well a a proper gundog :thumbs:

That is a day I would love to see :thumbs:

I'm looking to, and started to train my own lurcher pup for all-round fieldsports use. To be fair though, I'm not looking for her to be stood by a peg as that doesn't float my boat.

Signs are looking promising so far, but then I am investing a lot of time in her.

 

atb

 

Duncan

 

PS it would be interesting to see if one of these professional gundog trainers could raise a lurcher pup to do as well as a more orthodox retriever :hmm:

 

 

I believe that it is entirely possible but it would require the right dog and the right trainer and thats where the argument falls in the gundogs favour they breed to type so you are pretty much a guaranteed a dog with all the attributes required finding a lurcher as would compare like for like might be a problem,lurchers are so different to train than a gundog it might also be a task to find the right trainer.

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What i should have said my big dog can catch rabbits for fun, but a burl into a hare, straight line Roe and kill foxes with one shake. But then both of us would have been talking shite.... :laugh::tongue2:

No, that would just be the one Lab :thumbs:

I'll have to watch what i write here buddy but i can assure you some of the comments i have made are true and some are made up...... :whistling: Although i'm having a bit banter with Paul he knows as much as me that his Lurcher cant perform like a proper working gundog. I dont dispute it can pick a few birds, so can pretty much any breed of dog thats been trained to do so........ ;)

im just to tight to buy a proper gundog :laugh: have you seen the price of labs,with my eyesight i can hardly tell the difference anyway :laugh:

Aye but you dont want one of these ones with a big long f*****g name...... :whistling: You want a real working dog................ ;)

Not with his spelling :laugh:

At the end of the day, its horses for courses, Pauls dogs can do everything he wants them to do , and they do it well, better than a lot of specialised retrievers. I suspect a lab or spaniel would not cover all the bases that Pauls dogs do.

 

Atb

 

Duncan

 

 

 

pauls lurchers are the exception though and he is clearly talented when it comes to training them

maybe one day some one will field a lurcher at a trial and prove us all wrong but till that day lads with lurchers can keep on dreaming that their dogs can perform as well a a proper gundog :thumbs:

That is a day I would love to see :thumbs:

I'm looking to, and started to train my own lurcher pup for all-round fieldsports use. To be fair though, I'm not looking for her to be stood by a peg as that doesn't float my boat.

Signs are looking promising so far, but then I am investing a lot of time in her.

 

atb

 

Duncan

 

PS it would be interesting to see if one of these professional gundog trainers could raise a lurcher pup to do as well as a more orthodox retriever :hmm:

 

 

I believe that it is entirely possible but it would require the right dog and the right trainer and thats where the argument falls in the gundogs favour they banreed to type so you are pretty much a guaranteed a dog with all the attributes required finding a lurcher as would compare like for like might be a problem,lurchers are so different to train than a gundog it might also be a task to find the right trainer.

you are correct. ive had lurchers a long time and all are different, the ones i keep/breed now are pritty true to type, keen and biddable and can be trained to do most things. i only train to the gun as i like to shoot aswell as lamp and mooch. the standard they are at suits the shooting i do. i could take it further but dont feel the need to. i do know ive seen a good number of gundogs that are far worse than my lurchers in the hunting field but ive also seen far,far better. you could never say a lurcher is as good as a breed specific dog but thats not what the lurcher is about. the working lurcher in my veiw should be a jack of all trades and be at a resonable standard at all it does. each perticular dog will excell at some things and be weeker on others.
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i would say regards gundogs (labs,springers,......) there are what it says (gundogs) the best at that job. But there are few lurchers out there that can work to the gun and work+ cover and very good at it. My 1x collie grey Bryn is brill working cover, he will get (in) any cover to get quarry, if its got a pulse he will find+ get it for a 25 in dog he is very agile and gets low to the ground just like a springer does, ive been beating lots of times and seen gun dogs working so i know what i am on about .. Many time he as marked birds + rabbits in cover, when ive been out with my 12g, and the great thing if you you miss with a shot when knocked out by him, he will catch it, not many labs or springers could do that, not that he is over fast, but hell of lot faster than any gundog breed . :yes:

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lurcher will do what a spaniel and a lab can do plus a whole lot more :thumbs:

:rofl: :rofl:

i kid you not :tongue2: mine will work cover like a spaniel, retieve like a lab and catch stuff both the spaniel and the lab wouldnt get close to :thumbs:

 

You wouldn't want a lurchers on the foreshore in Nov, Dec or Jan though would you mate.....they would freeze to death.

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lurcher will do what a spaniel and a lab can do plus a whole lot more :thumbs:

:rofl: :rofl:

i kid you not :tongue2: mine will work cover like a spaniel, retieve like a lab and catch stuff both the spaniel and the lab wouldnt get close to :thumbs:

 

You wouldn't want a lurchers on the foreshore in Nov, Dec or Jan though would you mate.....they would freeze to death.

i live nowhere near the sea, there not carring the fat layers a lab carries and would think the wind chill would be a killer in that situation. but as i said earlier the lurcher will not compete with a spercific task dog but excells as an allround pooch. how long would a lab last lamping rabbits before it gave up.

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lurcher will do what a spaniel and a lab can do plus a whole lot more :thumbs:

:rofl: :rofl:

i kid you not :tongue2: mine will work cover like a spaniel, retieve like a lab and catch stuff both the spaniel and the lab wouldnt get close to :thumbs:

 

You wouldn't want a lurchers on the foreshore in Nov, Dec or Jan though would you mate.....they would freeze to death.

i live nowhere near the sea, there not carring the fat layers a lab carries and would think the wind chill would be a killer in that situation. but as i said earlier the lurcher will not compete with a spercific task dog but excells as an allround pooch. how long would a lab last lamping rabbits before it gave up.

We will have terrier lads coming on next saying that they have terriers that can retreive shot game and better than gundogs because a gundog cant fit down a hole next...... :laugh: Your mutts are good at there specific job and ours are good at ours....... :thumbs:

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lurcher will do what a spaniel and a lab can do plus a whole lot more :thumbs:

:rofl: :rofl:

i kid you not :tongue2: mine will work cover like a spaniel, retieve like a lab and catch stuff both the spaniel and the lab wouldnt get close to :thumbs:

 

You wouldn't want a lurchers on the foreshore in Nov, Dec or Jan though would you mate.....they would freeze to death.

i live nowhere near the sea, there not carring the fat layers a lab carries and would think the wind chill would be a killer in that situation. but as i said earlier the lurcher will not compete with a spercific task dog but excells as an allround pooch. how long would a lab last lamping rabbits before it gave up.

We will have terrier lads coming on next saying that they have terriers that can retreive shot game and better than gundogs because a gundog cant fit down a hole next...... :laugh: Your mutts are good at there specific job and ours are good at ours....... :thumbs:

didnt i just say that :laugh:

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For what it's worth...the only thing i think a purpose bred gun dog of any type has over a lurcher is it's nose..yes they have better noses but purpose bred gun dog's are of little use for anything else other than working to the gun of some sort.

On the other hand a lurcher especialy one with a good lump of collie blood in it can do a hell of a lot more and a one with a good coat will take just as much bad weather as any other dog..

You can go shooting/bushing/lamping/ratting/ferreting the list is endless for what you can do with a good lurcher..but i have found purpose bred gun dog's limmited to there abilities.. :yes:

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For what it's worth...the only thing i think a purpose bred gun dog of any type has over a lurcher is it's nose..yes they have better noses but purpose bred gun dog's are of little use for anything else other than working to the gun of some sort.

On the other hand a lurcher especialy one with a good lump of collie blood in it can do a hell of a lot more and a one with a good coat will take just as much bad weather as any other dog..

You can go shooting/bushing/lamping/ratting/ferreting the list is endless for what you can do with a good lurcher..but i have found purpose bred gun dog's limmited to there abilities.. :yes:

millit youve done it now :laugh: started it all off again and i had just calmed it down aswell :laugh:

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So we can say 100% that the Lurcher is a jack of all trades but master of none and the Lab or Spaniel is master at its job.......I'm happy with my master then i wouldn't be seen dead with anything but the best..... :angel:

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